Veterans Affairs committee  My baby sister in the back of the room, sir. How's that? There you go.

Veterans Affairs committee  We've been very careful about that, sir.

Veterans Affairs committee  Thank you.

Veterans Affairs committee  No. That's my baby sister in the back of the room, sir.

Veterans Affairs committee  Okay, sir.

Veterans Affairs committee  I fundamentally believe that women are being expected to put in claims and provide the conditions of service with proof, and the bottom line is that they don't have any proof. But DND does know, the Canadian Forces does know, how these women were treated over the years. I think they owe an obligation to women veterans in that they didn't do anything for them when they were serving.

Veterans Affairs committee  Oh, it's a sad tale. It was 1986, first of all. At that time, if you took any maternity benefits whatsoever, you were considered to be on leave without pay. It affected your pension. I fundamentally believe that, first of all, my pensionable service should not be impacted by the fact that I'm having a baby.

Veterans Affairs committee  I'll go. For the CF, I think they should document the conditions of service that women experienced in the seventies, eighties and nineties. That includes equipment, trauma, all the activities they know about. When Lieutenant-General Bourgon testified, she acknowledged these things.

Veterans Affairs committee  I certainly do. I have seen it over and over again. I have seen, on basic training, warrant officers sleeping with cadets and using it as a tool to get sex—convincing a cadet that, if they do this, they'll pass basic training. This is basic officer training. This is since 1979. I caught him and brought it to my senior leadership.

Veterans Affairs committee  Mr. Chair and members of the committee, good evening. Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to come before you today. My name is Louise Siew. I was a regular force logistics officer who joined the Canadian Forces in 1975, served 35 years and retired as a naval captain in 2010.