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Foreign Affairs committee  Hamas is a listed terrorist organization in Canada. We don't draw a distinction between wings. They reinforce one another and, as I say, Hamas is a listed organization in Canada.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  I wouldn't want to speak for the government of Egypt or the government of Israel, but I can share some observations of what we're seeing on the ground in Cairo and Tel Aviv. There is evidently a peace between Egypt and Israel. It's one of the Arab neighbours that Israel has had peace with.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  Why don't I start with Qatar? Then I'll turn to my colleague on the hostages question. We are quite appreciative, as the Government of Canada, for Qatar's vital support on a series of different crises, including COVID-19 repatriation and the evacuation of Afghanistan refugees.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  We do keep track of the goods that we ship. We do the assessment at the time they are exported to make sure that it is done under the conditions of our own legislation as well as the Arms Trade Treaty. That is where we are right now. I don't have information about anything that is currently going into Gaza, but certainly anything that would be applied for to go into Gaza now would be looked at against the criteria to try to figure out whether it might be a risk to violating our obligations—

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  There are a variety of different sources for the reports of Palestinian deaths. Those include the local Ministry of Health, as well as non-governmental organizations and international organizations. The reason—

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  There's been a greater consistency in the reporting from Israel. We trust the reporting from Israel. There are a wide range of figures that have been asserted on the Palestinian side. That makes it a lot harder for us to be able to judge what the precise numbers would be. However, a life is a life, and we are certainly concerned about the suffering that has occurred on the Palestinian side.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  As I've indicated, we are getting consistent numbers from the State of Israel. We trust those numbers. We've seen, through the media and through other sources in Israel as well, all of the backup that shows this. On the Palestinian side, we are getting these figures from the Ministry of Health.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  Certainly we recognize the extraordinary difficulties in getting access for aid to get into Gaza, and we need to continue to work with the parties to be able to make sure it gets in. This has been challenging. There is a live conflict going on, as you've noted, but we need to try to find a way to make sure that this aid can get in.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  Concretely, we are speaking to our partners in the region. We are speaking to the Israeli government. We are speaking to the Egyptian government. We are speaking to others who deal with the authorities in Gaza, whom we don't directly speak with. We are making clear our expectations that civilians will be protected and that civilians will have access to much-needed humanitarian assistance.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  We are having conversations with those governments and we are addressing the issues around humanitarian access in those conversations. We are making clear our expectations that humanitarian goods need to get in and that this needs to be part of this process. Those are ongoing discussions with all of the relevant authorities of the region.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  We do have a strong export control system, and respect for human rights is enshrined in that. We are required to look at goods that have military purposes to assess them on a case-by-case basis in that framework and to put them against the Arms Trade Treaty's criteria that are enshrined in our Export and Import Permits Act.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  I have not seen any requests for shipments of any military goods.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  At present, as I say, I'm not able to ascertain whether violations of international law would have taken place. We will have to look at the way forward politically on this and at the end of the day, as an international community, think about where accountability needs to be brought forward.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  Certainly we have put out our information about the Canadian humanitarian assistance that is being provided, the $60 million to date. There will be further appeals, and there are certainly—

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen

Foreign Affairs committee  There are a couple of questions there.

October 23rd, 2023Committee meeting

Ann Flanagan Whalen