Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Thank you very much. We'll begin with Mrs. Shelby Kramp-Neuman.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  I call the meeting back to order. Colleagues, we will resume at this time. I'd like to welcome our main witness, but there are two. We have a second person there in case additional backup is needed. We welcome Dr. Jitender Sareen, a physician with the department of psychiatry at the University of Manitoba, by video conference.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Okay. Thank you. Dr. Gubitz, just quickly, you mentioned in your remarks that there's an addictions specialist who was recently hired. Is that correct?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Thank you. I want to go back to Ms. Campbell. I didn't hear the answer specifically to my colleague about the criteria set out in the CAMAP curriculum with respect to assessing irremediability in the case of mental illness with certainty. I know you talked about the cases that are discussed.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Thank you. Well, it's not a wish. Rather, we're trying to ascertain the quality of training. We're talking about people's lives. Whether it's in the tens or hundreds, we're talking about individual lives. Perhaps for assurance, would you be able to provide the committee access to this module?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Can CAMAP provide the module being used, in order to assure us? It's just for us. We are not experts. At the same time, seeing it in writing will give us that sort of assurance. I believe the training is being undertaken, and I know everyone is learning the practice, but it is important for us to see that module.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Does that mean you're also anticipating that, potentially, people with addictions would be eligible?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to say that I do share the concerns of Mr. MacGregor about the lack of consultation with indigenous communities. You said that you have done some broad consultation, but nothing specific to MAID and mental disorder. We heard testimony previously from some of the members of the indigenous community that there has been quite an absence of consultation.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  You mentioned both Belgian and Dutch euthanasia regimes in your remarks. Do you have more concerns about MAID for mental illness in Canada than those other regimes?

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Be very brief.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  You have about 40 seconds.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Thank you very much. Next, we'll go to Mr. MacGregor for five minutes.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Thank you very much. Next we'll go to Monsieur Thériault for five minutes.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  You have 15 seconds remaining.

Medical Assistance in Dying committee  Answer very briefly, Professor Lemmens.