Agriculture committee  No. Nobody consulted me. The only consults I had were after the fact: “You have to build a bigger barn.” I said that if somebody starts throwing money at me, I'll build a bigger barn. Nobody has thrown any money at me yet.

Agriculture committee  We can put 22 straight loads in at any given time.

Agriculture committee  Yes. We've had full capacity. We'll shut down at two o'clock in the morning. My night guy shuts down at two o'clock in the morning and I start at 3:30. By that time, there will be four or five trucks sitting in the laneway waiting to get unloaded. They have to wait until I load somebody and put hay in.

Agriculture committee  There's another place here, about 50 kilometres east of us. There's another place over at Hearst that does the same thing. They're smaller in size than we are. I think the Hearst barn can handle two or three loads of cattle or about six loads of pigs.

Agriculture committee  Yes.

Agriculture committee  No, no, you're.... There are two types of rest stops. You're getting them all....

Agriculture committee  No.

Agriculture committee  Okay. We are in the middle of the country, and you can get from Clyde, Alberta, to here in under the 36 hours, with the e-logs, as long as nothing goes wrong.

Agriculture committee  If you get rest stops in Manitoba, then you'd have to have another one down in the Ottawa or North Bay type of area, because now all of a sudden we're kicking in the 36-hour rule. It's being brought into play here at the same time. Because of where we're situated, we're right in the middle.

Agriculture committee  Oh, yes, I've seen guys who broke every rule in the book. At the same time, when you break the rules that hard.... The animals need to rest. If you drive for, say, 14 or 15 hours and you stop for four hours and rest, those animals are resting at the same time. If you've been on the road for 14 hours, then standing in the back of that aluminum tin can with the roads as rough as they are, those animals are just vibrating.

Agriculture committee  The safety of the driver was never brought into this. You can't tell me that a machine is going to tell you when to get up in the morning and when to go to bed at night.

Agriculture committee  It is correct, but—

Agriculture committee  It's because you could stop your paper.

Agriculture committee  That's right.

Agriculture committee  As far as I'm concerned, these regulations were not put in for the safety of the driver. These regulations were put in because the insurance companies wanted better documentation.