Industry committee  About 15 to 20 people were starting to develop that expertise in Canada 15 years ago. A lot more people and organizations are doing it today, which is excellent news.

Industry committee  This is an emerging sector, and there can be a great advantage for both the private and public sectors to be working on it. You mentioned the oil and gas industry. I've had very positive experiences with people from the oil industry. For example, Mark Little, a former president of Suncor, is one of our directors.

Industry committee  I hope not.

Industry committee  I want to make sure I clearly understand your question. It concerns the governance structure. Is that correct?

Industry committee  SDTC is a foundation. When I arrived, the foundation had been in place for some years. As my colleague who is on the screen said, a robust governance was in place in which people recused themselves and declared their conflicts of interest in advance. It was very well structured, but poorly recorded in the minutes.

Industry committee  Allow me to—

Industry committee  May I answer, Mr. Chair?

Industry committee  You can answer for me, sir; I won't object.

Industry committee  Is this committee concerned with the Canada Infrastructure Bank? Must I answer that question, Mr. Chair?

Industry committee  I was just asking the question.

Industry committee  I have no holding in NRStor. Is that the company you're talking about?

Industry committee  I have no holding in NRStor. I don't know why you're asking me that question.

Industry committee  I'll look at the date of my appointment on LinkedIn. To be honest, I didn't prepare to answer questions about the Canada Infrastructure Bank.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  I had to recuse myself way more often than that because I also declared apparent conflicts. There were board meetings where I was absent. In addition, only four businesses in my portfolio received money from SDTC while I was on the board. If they received any before or after I was involved with SDTC, they weren't in a conflict-of-interest zone, as it's technically known in governance terminology.