Government Operations committee  It sounds like the member is actually questioning the OAG's report more than we are. Frankly, we were looking forward to a section in the OAG's report about cost avoidance, if not cost savings, with respect to paper. It wasn't there. I don't question the OAG or her decisions; I just respect the fact that there was a cost to paper, and the app removed that.

Government Operations committee  I'm not an valuation specialist. It would be worth more than $60 million.

Government Operations committee  We did not have information management responsibilities, especially with respect to project management and invoices—

Government Operations committee  The figure would be much higher. It would be in the tens of thousands.

Government Operations committee  I would have no knowledge of anything political, but based on the state of affairs and observations by the AG, I can only assume that there's no way public servants would behave in such a reckless manner. It's just impossible.

Government Operations committee  The reason, sir, is that if you watch the video, you see that the question was based upon two public servants being suspended. I'm not aware of any other public servants being targeted by the CBSA. I'm not aware of the CBSA or the OAG, or any other member of PSPC.... Actually, I think PSPC answered at the public accounts committee this week that nobody has gotten into any trouble for anything that's happened.

Government Operations committee  Frankly, I just apologized, and I removed or tried to rescind my comment. I unreservedly apologize for making it. I can't do anything more than that.

Government Operations committee  Initially, the CFO was at the table. What we were not discussing was dollars and cents at every meeting, but every week we would be in front of deputies, in front of PHAC, and showing them screens about what was to be delivered. Most VPs were at the table with us. When we needed funding to be able to put something in place, the CFO's organization would be the one to approve it and endorse it.

Government Operations committee  That's a very good question. I have an opinion, but I'm not sure I'm in a position to answer yes or no to your question. There are definitely some very serious issues that need to be addressed. Despite the testimony of the president and other people from the agency, from my viewpoint with some hindsight, I don't see how the issues are progressing toward a resolution.

Government Operations committee  Perhaps I said something I shouldn't have, although what I do have is a Reddit article from a public servant who was with Mr. Doan a week before his testimony. They said that he was drunk on his butt, telling jokes and talking about ArriveCAN vulnerabilities. If somebody was that close to a heart attack—I do have a little bit of medical knowledge—I don't think that he should probably have been drinking to the point of being drunk on his butt.

Government Operations committee  Thanks for the question. This is the ironic part about Mr. Lafleur being the lead investigator. Mr. Lafleur was actually part of the vetting process for Botler when we decided on the scope. The initial proposal was for them to do a feasibility study with six milestones and do a small regional pilot.

Government Operations committee  She wrote directly to the president of the CBSA, John Ossowski, even though he testified that he had no contact with her after the initial presentation. The ATIP doesn't lie.

Government Operations committee  No.

Government Operations committee  That's the funny part. If you look at their complaints and at their reporting, they did a lot of work. They were building things. They were building tools. They were doing configuration. However, they were hired to build six documents as part of a feasibility study, and that's it.

Government Operations committee  Our understanding is that they got paid for two of the six milestones. Frankly, they testified here that they didn't know who Dalian and Coradix are, but they used Dalian and Coradix to obtain a line of credit so that they could build stuff. However, building something wasn't part of the feasibility study.