Natural Resources committee  Canada is a very active participant in all the major multilateral fora that talk about energy. The International Energy Agency is obviously pre-eminent among those, but we also have IRENA, which is exclusively focused on renewable energy. Canada, I would say, punches well above its weight in lots of these organizations.

Natural Resources committee  There are a few companies active in this space. The Eavor project takes advantage of oil and gas assets. There's another one. I've forgotten the name, but we can certainly send it. There's a second project at least that is using abandoned oil sites or oil infrastructure to do geothermal energy.

Natural Resources committee  I can start with the scientific side. Obviously, Natural Resources Canada is a science-based department. About a third of our employees are scientists, engineers or technicians. While they are federal public servants reporting through the normal channels, they provide us with very important independent advice.

Natural Resources committee  We can certainly provide more detail on where that expertise comes from. Again, I'll just briefly say that NRCan is primarily made up of scientists, engineers and technologists who provide us with ongoing advice about the latest innovations that are happening in Canada and around the world.

Natural Resources committee  I'll start the response by saying that the cheapest electron is the one you don't need to use. In terms of return on investment, energy efficiency measures are typically the cheapest way of getting clean electricity in that sense. After that, it really varies by setting. The technology that might be the cheapest or the best investment in Nova Scotia is going to be different from, perhaps, one in British Columbia.

Natural Resources committee  I'm happy to jump in on this one. I think it's just an extension of what my colleague said: There is going to have to be a rapid increase in the amount of electricity produced. However, one element that hasn't come through as clearly, which I can emphasize, is that there's a lot more work to be done on energy efficiency and producing the technologies—