Public Accounts committee  Do you mean after I resigned? It's been since 1990.

Public Accounts committee  They started off small, and they just grew over time as we grew.

Public Accounts committee  First, we had no ArriveCAN contracts. We had a call-up with the CBSA as a vehicle, and that vehicle was used. I know that the Auditor General says $3 million. We immediately went and looked through all of our time sheets, and we were only able to identify $500,000.

Public Accounts committee  In the federal government, procurement vehicles are brought up. We have a number of vehicles. We all do. I can talk to you from my side, because I was also in the government and I had vehicles. Oftentimes, we needed to do some IT work, and it had to be done right away. We didn't have the resources, so we'd go through these vehicles.

Public Accounts committee  I believe you're speaking about the bid rigging. Is that correct?

Public Accounts committee  Yes, we were accused, and all the accusations were dropped. We never had our day in court to defend ourselves or even to ask for an apology. It changed my life, being accused of something like this. I have no other information on anybody else who was involved. I was asked, “If you have information, we will waive you,” or whatever.

Public Accounts committee  Do you mean today?

Public Accounts committee  We have 84 employees right now and probably about 200 or 300 other resources, like subcontractors, who work for us.

Public Accounts committee  If you're asking if 84 employees and maybe 200 or 300 others is enough, yes, that's enough.

Public Accounts committee  No, and let's face it, there aren't enough indigenous people to meet some of these contracts. Calling myself an aboriginal company or an indigenous company, just because I own 100% and I'm a status Indian from.... I don't believe that's what it should be. It should be aboriginal benefits.

Public Accounts committee  I do, but I'll defer that to my partner, because we spoke about this prior to coming in.

Public Accounts committee  Well, it's actually on record. In 2006 I sat in front of a Senate committee on aboriginal procurement. Back in 2006 I warned of the potential abuse of joint ventures, and to this day, 18 years later, we are seeing the results of that. Basically, I was using terms like, “Aboriginal companies need to learn how to walk before they run,” yet, amazingly, Donna Cona has been in business 28 years, and we find ourselves up against aboriginal firms that just got into business and are running multi-million dollar contracts.

Public Accounts committee  I'm sorry. Are you asking me how TEKsystems—

Public Accounts committee  Yes, I'll defer to you.

Public Accounts committee  I will add that I was quite surprised to see my company's name listed in the AG report.