Industry and Technology committee  Our members were always CUSMA-compliant. Tariffs were never a concern prior to 2025. In 2025, they were hit with tariffs. As an example, one of our members was hit with tariffs last year, and it was $1,500 on that mould crossing. Now it's on the full PO value, so now they're paying over $30,000 for that same exact product.

Industry and Technology committee  I'm not sure what meetings and conversations the Prime Minister is having and I don't want to speak to that, but what I do know is that our industry is relying on our government to get something done for them so that they can continue existing. On the topic of loans, for example, the companies cannot afford to use loans to keep themselves going.

Industry and Technology committee  I don't have that with me, but it's from the Trillium machine network report. I can get that information for you, with more numbers.

Industry and Technology committee  Mould-makers are intertwined in most things. Anything plastic that you own started with a mould. When we're talking about mould-making, yes, automotive is a big part of it, especially in Windsor-Essex. In packaging, consumer products, medical devices, aerospace, defence, glasses and cellphone cases, everybody has something that was created with a mould.

Industry and Technology committee  As an association that represents an industry, we have provided that information. We've done a lot of sessions. We brought in custom brokers and other experts to help our members ensure that the HS codes they're using are correct. The issue is the additional cost when it comes to the tariffs.

Industry and Technology committee  It's absolutely critical. There will be no mould-making industry in Canada without the trade agreement. That impacts the manufacturing supply chain. Mould-making is the first step, so not having it would be detrimental to Canada's manufacturing sector. There are impacts on both sides of the border, so it is mutually beneficial to come to an agreement.

Industry and Technology committee  I can get that to you. I don't have that specifically, but we know 80% of what they produce is sent to the U.S. We also know the nature of our industry requires these goods to go back and forth multiple times. The way the tariffs are set up right now, in our current understanding, means that every time a good goes across, all the value that's been added to it is now tariffed.

Industry and Technology committee  Come to an agreement. Go to the table with our friends in the United States. They're our partners. When it comes to manufacturing, we operate more or less as one. Go to the table and come to an agreement so we can put this past us and get back to business.

Industry and Technology committee  Okay. I'll just quickly say that in reality, beyond the CUSMA agreement, a fair trade agreement between Canada and the U.S. and the ability to return to doing business as usual, there's no long-term strategy beyond that. With regard to the short term, I would say the same thing: It depends on how much time we're looking at here.

Industry and Technology committee  It would be about 80% to 20%. Canadians make up 80% of our membership. We do have about 20% in the U.S., in Michigan.

Industry and Technology committee  I'm not sure what Prime Minister Carney thinks or what President Trump thinks. On behalf of our members, I know that these are real businesses, real jobs and real families being impacted. They need a solution.

Industry and Technology committee  Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today on behalf of the Canadian Association of Moldmakers and our members. CAMM represents Canadian mould-makers and a broader network of tooling, machining, automation and advanced manufacturing firms that support production across Canada and North America.

Industry and Technology committee  Exactly.

Industry and Technology committee  No, and I've been advocating, as the beginning of production, to be consulted in these types of conversations.

Industry and Technology committee  Something that is top of mind for our members is the end of life for the vehicles. Currently in Canada, the manufacturers, for the most part, take the responsibility for end of life. What would that look like if we imported those vehicles from China and if those conversations have been had with them, to say that they have that financial responsibility and obligation to do what Canadian and North American manufacturers have agreed to do?