Public Safety committee  I think the most important thing we have to remember is that one of the documents that Rob Sampson was involved with, the road map to corrections--I probably misquoted the name--talks about expanding programs. It talks about expanding the prisoner's workday and giving the prisone

Public Safety committee  No, I have not been made aware of anything, and as it stands right now, anything that I ask the government around the farms, around their operation, is flat out refused. We're not allowed to see it now because it could affect the upcoming auction of the materials from the farms.

Public Safety committee  We've done that in the past. As I said, I am from the Correctional Service of Canada. I cut my teeth there, as a plumber at a prison for women in Kingston. There were vocational shops, and through the years, the government closed those down. The biggest vocational shops we have

Public Safety committee  Are you asking for the population of the institutions, sir, or of those involved in the program?

Public Safety committee  Does either one of you have those numbers?

Public Safety committee  Could I ask you to repeat your question?

Public Safety committee  In Kingston, there is an impact of approximately $900,000 per year to the city and to surrounding businesses. That doesn't include all the other institutions--Riverbend Institution in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, or Rockwood in Winnipeg, or down in Dorchester. They're all medium-

Public Safety committee  No. As soon as you take away something you grow yourself, produce yourself, distribute yourself and then you have to go out to the fair market value to purchase, there is an additional cost. In reviewing the tapes from last week, I noticed that the people from the Correctional

Public Safety committee  Thank you, sir. Thank you for allowing me to speak here today. I am John Edmunds. I am the national president of the Union of Solicitor General Employees. I represent the people who work on the farms to train the offenders. I can sit here today and talk about what the farm