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Justice committee  It's hard to know speculatively, but certainly, based on what's happening in the United States and Australia, we'd say it would at least exacerbate it with the continued prorate at what it is now, but also for African Canadian young people, particularly African Canadian young men

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  I'm sorry that we haven't been clearer than in our presentations, because I think we have presented, as I mentioned earlier, that the early intervention approaches do work--

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  We work particularly with those who are seen as the most difficult to manage in the system, because we consider it our responsibility to work with those individuals because of the work we've chosen to do. Particularly when we talk about the women with whom we work, what we see wh

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  I don't know if it was a deterrent or if some of the other people providing supports in your school may have been assisting those individuals to have other options available too. Whether it's sports.... We don't see the same sports activities available in most schools; we don't s

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  Well, if a deterrent worked, then the United States should be the safest place in the world to live right now--if that argument worked.

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  That's correct, but it's also true that most other jurisdictions have shorter sentences, particularly in the context we were talking about before. We were talking about mandatory minimum sentences also for very serious violent offences, and most of them also have mechanisms for w

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  There's been a bit in the northern territory, and it is in more recent material coming out of Australia. There they looked at the number of aboriginal people, in particular, being imprisoned. Again, the human and social cost, as well as the fiscal cost of that in terms of impacti

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  Excuse me, I have to speak English. In terms of the constructive possession components of this bill, I'm just in the midst of reviewing some material about Janice Gamble's case, which may be a case some of you are familiar with. She's a woman who was convicted of constructive mu

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  In addition to the piece that Tom Gabor and Nicole Crutcher did, which our colleague referred to, there's a whole colloquium that our organization co-sponsored with the Osgoode Hall Law School. There's an entire package of research-based and evidence-based material that talks a

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. And thank you very much to the committee for inviting our organization to appear and to present testimony before this committee with respect to Bill C-10. I'm here, as you've indicated, representing the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societ

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate

Justice committee  One of the main ones, in terms of the primary principles of sentencing, is proportionality. When we look at this bill, we see that this fundamental principle is not adhered to. In fact, we see it promoting something other than the least restrictive approaches to dealing with indi

November 20th, 2006Committee meeting

Kim Pate