Public Safety committee  Certainly there are some very good programs. Canada, rightly and historically—I'm not sure how much longer it will last, given the numbers and the delays that are happening—has a very stellar and well-deserved reputation of having one of the best correctional services. One of the

Public Safety committee  Yes, I do.

Public Safety committee  There is often a delay, and we don't always see everybody assessed within the first 90 days. That's an issue. Increasing numbers will further limit that. As we saw with Ashley Smith--and again, one of the challenges is sometimes getting the documentation--we are told on one han

Public Safety committee  Both of us are lawyers, and I teach at the law school as well, and I would say that the first thing to remember is that the punishment is the term of imprisonment. Television was introduced as a calming method in the prison as well as to keep people occupied because there is so l

Public Safety committee  I would like to see—

Public Safety committee  I apologize for interrupting you; I get quite exercised about this. I can tell you that one of the routine issues we're dealing with is prisoners requesting programs and not getting access to them. I would ask you to ensure that you have accurate information of how many prisoner

Public Safety committee  Strip searching has been determined to be sexual assault by the state in a number of areas, including what Louise Arbour found when she examined the situation at the prison for women in Kingston. Sexual assault by the state is permitted in circumstances where in fact there are

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much. Thank you very much for inviting the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies. I know the committee is working very quickly on things. I apologize that I did not have an opportunity to develop a written submission, as I was actually on the road, in

Public Safety committee  Yes, not as prisoners.

Public Safety committee  That's correct. Just as an example, I was before another committee on another matter related to violence against women. A woman who was waiting after her second adjournment actually got out because we won an appeal of her sentence. She would otherwise still be in prison awaiting

Public Safety committee  I'm not saying that it may not be possible for some woman at some time to do that, but certainly that's not who we have in our jails right now.

Public Safety committee  Yes--

Public Safety committee  Oh. Well, I can give you examples, but no, I don't have those figures. The Correctional Service of Canada has the actual figures that--

Public Safety committee  That's correct.

Public Safety committee  That's correct. To my knowledge, none of the cases that people are ostensibly trying to target involve any of these women. There are no high-priced fraud cases that I am aware of.