International Trade committee  Yes.

International Trade committee  I don't know how that would work, because there are 12 countries involved, and therefore we would be dealing with all 12 countries and the competitiveness of the United States and the big corporations.

International Trade committee  Well, sir, we could do that without the TPP. We could just do it. That's the thing.

International Trade committee  No, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be, and there was an awful lot of concern in Australia about the TPP. Many, many people share the concerns that many Canadians have. They say that it is not good for Australia.

International Trade committee  I haven't heard about Mr. Wallace. You know very well that there's been a tremendous amount of research that has gone into this by Canadians. The problem is that as we keep extending the patents, and we had an agreement that 10% of research and development would be Canadian, wh

International Trade committee  Australia is one of those countries that's doing a good job of that. They have a lot more generics than we do. They have an almost free drug program. New Zealand is doing a great job. If you look at Scotland and Wales, nobody pays anything for their drugs there. In Great Britain,

International Trade committee  That's because every country except Canada that has a universal system of health care also has a universal drug plan.

International Trade committee  I read that, and congratulations. It's wonderful. In the European countries, they have it, and that's why the price of drugs is low. We don't have it in Canada. We need it. It's amazing that we don't have it already. It could be coming down the tube, hopefully. But we're up agai

International Trade committee  Well, it's a little bit like saying we'll end supply management and we'll end those things to get the TPP and then we'll compensate. We're not going to be effectively giving our aid to the right places if we have to compromise with the TPP and we have to allow extensions of paten

International Trade committee  We haven't had much opportunity to be in any kind of consultation like this because of the secrecy of CETA and the TPP for so long. There hasn't been much time. There's been a lot of work catching up, but we've been following it and trying to get information. You asked about a t

International Trade committee  I really think that Canada has to do more on its own self-reliance. It has to build up its own markets here in Canada, for sure, and it has to get away from selling raw products and trading them off. It has to go back to some industrialization of this country. What we've done w

International Trade committee  I'm just about finished.

International Trade committee  I wanted to go into the draft chapter, but I only have a few comments. I don't know if—

International Trade committee  In a half minute, I might.

International Trade committee  All right, I'll mention just two things then, quickly. We're concerned about article 7.1 of the chapter on technical barriers to trade where it says: Each Party shall allow persons of another Party to participate in the development of technical regulations, standards and confo