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Justice committee That's right. I think the key thing is that, even at present in the Criminal Code with respect to protection of movable property, the law's not limited only to very minimal force. So if we were to introduce a rule, we would end up pretty quickly back in the same sort of situati
February 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee That is actually one of the ways in which the language on that particular issue will be changed by Bill C-26. The multitude of provisions now in effect limit the responsive actions of an accused to the necessary use of force, that is, no more force than necessary. But it is all p
February 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee I would just add that there is actually an offence in the Criminal Code for trap setting where there is the likelihood of causing bodily harm. Typically, the traps will be set in advance of there being a particular threat. So they wouldn't be temporarily connected enough with the
February 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee I believe the section you're referring to sets out what provocation may look like for the purpose of self-defence. That would not be part of the new law on self-defence. That's actually a provision that's invoked very infrequently. I'm not aware of any cases where it has actually
February 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee Again, it would depend on the evidence, but the general rule is that a person who does something with knowledge that they're aiding or abetting in a crime is guilty of the crime that they're aiding and abetting. If the evidence was there that these employees had become aware that
December 9th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee I can only repeat again that, as drafted, the mandatory minimum penalty, which would be proposed subsection 380(1.1), clearly states, “When a person is prosecuted on indictment and convicted of one or more offences referred to in subsection (1)”, which is the general fraud offenc
December 9th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to speak to charging practices necessarily across the country. My understanding would be that it would depend on the evidence. The evidence would dictate what charges would be laid.
December 9th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee I can; unfortunately, it's somewhat complex. It basically boils down to the fact that if we leave aside the insider trading offence for a moment and focus on subsection 380(2), section 382, and section 400—section 400 concerns the false prospectus—each of those offences is essent
December 9th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee As the bill is drafted, the mandatory minimum penalty applies only to convictions under subsection 380(1), which is just the general fraud offence.
December 9th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee We frequently encounter this question about the translation of “reckless” into “ne se souciant pas” in French. It happens in the drafting room, and then it happens repeatedly afterwards. The best answer we can give is that “recklessness” is a concept that has a long and rich juri
October 7th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee If I could make just one slight clarification about the Hamilton case, there isn't really a criticism of the definition of “reckless” in the Hamilton case. In fact, the Hamilton case was interpreting the offence under section 464 of the Criminal Code. The offence under that secti
October 7th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee Do you mean the French version of the amendment?
October 7th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee I can certainly understand what the English motion to amend means. I think it is just one of those cases where the French is shorter than the English. It is unusual, but there are some expressions that are easier to translate or that come out shorter in French than in English. Th
October 7th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee The difficulty with general offences is that when you gather the data, the data don't distinguish between different types of fraud. But one of the difficulties with very specific offences—which we frequently receive proposals for—is that they don't get prosecuted because they con
September 17th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg
Justice committee If that brother really does exist, possibly yes, I would say. There's not a tremendous amount of judicial interpretation of the offence of personation, because it has not been charged very often. We do know that the person personated must be a real person, living or dead. We do k
September 17th, 2009Committee meeting
Joanne Klineberg