Public Accounts committee  Sir, I can only tell you what I did. When I got the information, I made a decision to order an audit. That was my decision, as the manager. Mr. Lewis was aware of that. Of course, why would I order a criminal investigation when I've already made a decision? The fact is that I c

Public Accounts committee  Well, you know, that's part of what a leader does and what a manager does. He doesn't use the hammer on every situation. Every issue has to be looked at by itself. I actually could have technically looked at Fraser's behaviour, at the time when we had the discussion and when he

Public Accounts committee  No, he was not asked, because in my view...as a result of that discussion and based on his answers to me, I determined as commissioner that he had made a serious error in judgment in not reporting what he had known when he had said he had known it for almost a year and a half.

Public Accounts committee  He did have the information; you're right. Denise Revine, as you've heard, also had a lot of the information—

Public Accounts committee  Excuse me. No. Please, let's get our facts straight here. I didn't get rid of anyone.

Public Accounts committee  Well, I do not know. That was a reorganization. My understanding, after I heard the testimony before this committee, was that there was a reorganization.

Public Accounts committee  There are two points. If you'll notice from the correspondence, both Chief Superintendent Macaulay and Ms. Revine provided documentation to support their concerns, so that was given to us. They then were spoken to by the auditor. The auditor spoke to them and so on to get the i

Public Accounts committee  It was crucial and it was made available to the auditors. I also needed to make some organizational changes; that's why I removed the two principal people who I believed as a result of the audit were responsible for many of the problems. They were removed. Then I gave clear dire

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Ewanovich was found through a professional search agency that brought together five candidates for, I believe, an RCMP board. I was not involved in any way. The committee did not ask me what I wanted or what my preferences were. I did not participate in the committee. I did n

Public Accounts committee  I'm not certain of that. The human resources people who usually engage outsiders or people in the force would look at that. They would look after the details, and they would obviously negotiate that with the person who is being hired.

Public Accounts committee  First of all, the government or the Treasury Board has to give the authority, if I understand it correctly. I'm not an expert in this area, so I have to qualify that. It is not a bonus. You have to earn it. If the government authorizes the pay of a bonus or pay at risk to be pai

Public Accounts committee  But I'm entitled to have a fair question asked of me so that I can properly answer it without being interrupted, sir, yet you've done that repeatedly. I've told you I do not have a specific recollection. If there is something that can help me recall that, please allow me to do so

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, it's totally inappropriate to make that type of comment in front of this committee. I am not being given an opportunity to respond. He's making allegations, and I have not been given an opportunity to respond properly without his interrupting. He has produced nothing f

Public Accounts committee  I have met him. I know him more by reputation than I do by knowing him personally. Obviously, I knew him principally as the head of the Ontario Securities Commission.

Public Accounts committee  We handled a lot of major criminal investigation files on which we worked with the Ontario Securities Commission, so there would have been that type of association. However, I don't recall our personally sitting down and talking about things. We may have, but my lawyer has alread