Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  That's right.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  I don't know. You can define it in so many ways. We would want to see specific—

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  The problem is, as we say, that it's not defined. Watching a film can be educational. It should be limited to specific research and so on, rather than just allowing unfettered use because of “educational use”.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  That sounds like a reasonable approach, Mr. Rodriguez.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  The principle, Mr. Del Mastro, that we're speaking about is that copies have value—

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  —especially in the digital environment, in which you can create perfect copies.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  If you buy the right to make a copy, you should pay for the right to make a copy, and that's all we're saying, Mr. Del Mastro.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  You should pay when you buy the unit upon which you put that copy.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  That's correct.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  You should pay a small fee, Mr. Del Mastro, for the right to make the copy on that MP3 player.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Mr. Del Mastro, you're speaking for your constituency and we are speaking for ours.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  That's not our information, Mr. Del Mastro.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  This committee has been presented with evidence, with surveys, and—

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Mr. Del Mastro, actually, when you buy a tune on iTunes, you only get the opportunity to transfer it once. You don't get an opportunity to transfer it multiple times.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  In our view, as we've said, there should be some form of graduated response beyond just a simple notice. The ISP should be required to take action against the infringer, and if not, it would be up to this committee to find a means to do that. But our view is that there should be