Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  I believe that intensity-based targets are an unacceptable way to effectively gauge our progress on greenhouse gas reductions.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  They're interesting as a way of trying to understand what's happening in the economy. I mean, we want less intensity. That's a good thing. We want to accomplish more with less energy. There's no question that that's a good thing, but if we want to reduce greenhouse gases, let's b

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  That's an improvement, right?

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Well, it's not really clear. It may be, in fact, that the economy is in a downturn. It may indicate, and probably does, that the--

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Oh, no, I don't believe so. I think that was happening spontaneously. That's what I'm saying.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Well, I mean, obviously--

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Well, things would improve.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  That's correct. They are not acceptable as a means of targeting and achieving greenhouse gas reductions.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  I think they have their purpose. They have a use, but this isn't the best use of them.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  Yes.

Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) committee  No. I think they're a tool; I just don't think they're the best tool for this job.