Citizenship and Immigration committee  I would say, in answer to Ms. Chow's question, that one thing I want to leave the panel with is that the members haven't been given a chance, so I don't think that accountability is an end in itself. I hope it would be a means of trying to get the organization on a more sustainab

Citizenship and Immigration committee  This conference hasn't been held yet, but for the one last year, in May 2007, it wasn't even a matter of showing up. If you didn't attend, you had to pay the same fee, the $800--

Citizenship and Immigration committee  No, it was 15 points--to purchase the video of the conference. And we have until November 2008 to do this. In immigration--I don't know how closely you work with it--we get updates weekly. There is an enormous amount happening in immigration law, between decisions the courts are

Citizenship and Immigration committee  [Inaudible--Editor]...has now been changed after the first three years. I don't know that they have to submit that annual report, but for three years, during the startup period, the department had a designated person. In fact, that person was on the board for the first couple of

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes. The focus is very important as part of the governance, and the things you've identified I would say are the core mandate. But when I looked on the website yesterday before I came, there were no suspended members. I don't understand that. We have so much fraud and incompetenc

Citizenship and Immigration committee  That's right.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes. I'm not challenging the basic vehicle.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  A person can be spoken to, right up to having their membership revoked.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Right.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  It's not on the top of my head, but I remember reading the discipline system at length about a year ago. Yes, there was a gradation of punishment.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, the mechanisms are there, I think.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  [Inaudible--Editor]...the public for advice and who are not lawyers have to be members of CSIC. That's the general answer.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  The act actually says that a person shall not consult with, advise, or represent a person who has an application before the minister or the board, so that's a different stage. It would be possible to have an office where you simply gave advice to the public and did not deal with

Citizenship and Immigration committee  [Inaudible--Editor]...unilaterally by the board.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  [Inaudible--Editor]...acceptable to the immigration department of the day, because they were overseeing operations for three years. But it's very interesting--the denial of the special meeting provision, for example. We've had various discussions with Industry Canada about that,