Public Safety committee  I think Canadians should be protected against terrorism, but you don't protect Canadians against terrorism by ignoring our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. The Bill of Rights and the Constitution are supposed to protect us, not be suspended so that we can get at people withou

Public Safety committee  Well, it's not doing it.

Public Safety committee  For seven years, from 1972 to 1976.

Public Safety committee  No, you could use criminal-type procedures under the Immigration Act.

Public Safety committee  If that's the case, if they are a real danger, then let it be proven. Are we going to allow security certificates to be given on the type of information that was given in the case of Arar, where the RCMP identified him and his wife as extreme Islamists associated with al-Qaeda, w

Public Safety committee  Yes, we do. We're not saying that suspected terrorists should not be pursued and prosecuted. We're saying they should, but they should be pursued and prosecuted for either performing a conspiracy to commit terrorism or in fact committing terrorism or planning to commit terrorism.

Public Safety committee  Not really. We did have some kind of a provision. I can recall being asked. It was on criminal matters, on people involved in organized crime.

Public Safety committee  No, I think the bill has changed on several occasions. If you read the judgment of Chief Justice McLachlin, you will see that at one stage certificates were reviewable by SIRC. Then that was taken away. Then with the Anti-terrorist Act of 2002, the review was reduced still furthe

Public Safety committee  Yes, if they were involved in a conspiracy to commit terrorism.

Public Safety committee  Unfortunately, I didn't bring the Convention Against Torture document with me today. I read it last night. But even on that last point, what's being suggested is a contravention of the Convention Against Torture. We either support the convention or we don't support it. Let's not

Public Safety committee  Article 14 of the Convention Against Torture says it can't. We've ratified the convention, and there's no exception to the convention. Once you open the door to the use of torture in the minds of police agents or security intelligence agents.... The case you gave there was one

Public Safety committee  No, we haven't.

Public Safety committee  I've seen those proposals, but I haven't had time to really examine them in depth. I also saw the proposed amendments of the Liberal Party and the Bloc Quebecois. It seems to me that these amendments would improve the bill, but I don't think they would improve the bill to the e

Public Safety committee  No, I don't think it does, and I cited certain passages in Chief Justice McLachlin's judgment. In my view, those passages have not been met in this bill. I still think there's going to be infringement of sections 7, 9, and 10.

Public Safety committee  I haven't looked at that. It's my view that if a Canadian citizen—and you could be a Canadian citizen and never live here; you could be born of Canadian parents and spend your life abroad.... If it's a Canadian citizen who's suspected of terrorism, you have to use the criminal j