Transport committee  If I may, this is a five-year program. It's fully funded. It varies from one year to another just because of the variations in demand, but over time, we average the full amount of $38 million a year. There might be some slight fluctuations, but we certainly spend the full amount,

Transport committee  I think it's the same.

Transport committee  You cannot compound the.... I don't know whether that's your question. Is it whether you can combine that money with other programs?

Transport committee  But I certainly hope the railways heard what you said, because they may not actually agree that we're always on their side. We're inclinced to have a balanced view. The minister basically explained the decision the government has made on the hopper cars. It has been on our desk

Transport committee  It would include the eight years.

Transport committee  Yes, in fact the text of the speech itself says it includes the Pacific gateway.

Transport committee  Yes, but I will check, sir. But I would assume the $8.5 billion would include the full allotment of $591 million, not just the four years shown in the budget, but the eight years.

Transport committee  Yes, we'll do that, sir.

Transport committee  Thank you, Mr. Minister. The main estimates actually show a reduction of $75 million this year compared to last year. That's due to a number of programs that are either coming to an end or for which a decision on an extension hasn't been made yet. One example is the port divesti