Public Safety committee  There are 11 sponsoring denominations, founding denominations from 39 years ago: the Anglican Church of Canada; the Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec; the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops; the Christian Reformed Church in North America; the Disciples of Christ in Ca

Public Safety committee  I guess a yes or no answer to that question does not accurately reflect the views of the organization I work with, the Church Council on Justice and Corrections. I believe that we have a societal problem here in terms of how we use prison. We think that the only way a victim expe

Public Safety committee  There are no—

Public Safety committee  I think we use prison as a symbol without realizing in real life what it does and what it does not do to help victims.

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  Yes, I did.

Public Safety committee  Yes, it was actually a quote—

Public Safety committee  It was a quote from a commentator in the United States, who used that term about their use of prisons. I am saying that we are going in the same direction.

Public Safety committee  Yes, I do.

Public Safety committee  Mr. Haughian will go first.

Public Safety committee  Good evening. I'd like to say first off that we are very concerned about and not happy with the impact this bill is going to have in terms of going in the direction of putting more people in prison for a longer time and all the implications that has for our society, not only in

Justice committee  No, I didn't.

Justice committee  They have their experience, and for many of them that may very well be true. But there are others, and many others, who also have their experience and for whom it's not true. I think we do have the measures for those who really want and need this. It is possible to do it without

Justice committee  Yes, I do, and two wrongs don't make a right.

Justice committee  Yes, we did.