Procedure and House Affairs committee  Sir, honestly, I'm not in a position to answer that question. But I can tell you that from my review of the incident, from what I see, there seems to be an absence of knowledge out there that resulted in members of Parliament being stopped coming up onto the Hill.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Well, I'm convinced, sir, that this incident wasn't about identification of members of Parliament. The member of Parliament in question clearly identified himself. There's no question that the members on the green buses.... I mean, it was evident that the people they were in cont

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Mr. Lukiwski, nothing is easy. We have an association that our security services belong to, and much that we're required to do outside the precinct relies to a great degree on their cooperation, and on their collective agreement, and you also get into issues of health and safety.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  No. Regarding this Monday's visit, we have received a request, and we will be out there with them this Monday. Also, there's a tremendous difference in these visits when they take place when Parliament is sitting and Parliament is not sitting. I can speak for my director of secu

Procedure and House Affairs committee  The RCMP consults with me and the director of security on security measures. On that day in question, Mr. Chair, if I'm not mistaken, the upper drive was closed off, but the east and west drives were open, and members of Parliament—or anyone—could come up and walk up the east an

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes. We're usually consulted. They would ask us if we're okay with whatever proposed measure they wished to implement. Again, it's all based on threat risk assessment, on exactly what the threat risk assessment is, and our security posture would be congruent to whatever that TRA

Procedure and House Affairs committee  On the length of time the barriers are up, Mr. Chair, as Mr. Comartin points out, usually once the dignitary or the VIP is a certain distance away, there's no need to continue to have those barriers up. I do know that there's a lot of consultation between the RCMP and Public Work

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Mr. Chair, and Mr. Zimmer, I think there are some excellent points and that's something the director of security and I can...like a retesting every so many months just to make sure that everybody is up.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I have not been able to do so myself. I've been in contact with senior management of the RCMP, Assistant Commissioner Jim Malizia, who looks after the protective operations, and he assured me that the matter is being looked into and they were going to follow up with the members i

Procedure and House Affairs committee  There have been occasions. Since 2000, I think there have been something like 55 visits. For four of those visits, we have had House security out there. Our jurisdiction or mandate as security people end at the doors of Parliament.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Once we walk outside this building, we're civilians.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  This coming Monday, because of a request from the RCMP, we will have our House of Commons security people out there to assist in ensuring the identification of members of Parliament. We have an expectation, just as we do of all of our staff, that the RCMP take their responsibilit

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's a mandated thing. During their training they all have to recognize members of Parliament by face. We even have programs on the computer. You just hit the space bar and you can practice seeing the member and associating the name to the member of Parliament.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  All our new people coming through our training have to pass that. Before they get out on the floor they have to be able to identify all members of Parliament.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  If you were in a vehicle, sir, obviously, the entrance off Wellington—