Evidence of meeting #26 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gmo.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kelvin Einarson  Director and Secretary Treasurer, Manitoba Forage Seed Association Inc.
Kurt Shmon  President, Imperial Seed (1979) Ltd.
Jim Lintott  Chairman, Manitoba Forage Council

5:20 p.m.

Director and Secretary Treasurer, Manitoba Forage Seed Association Inc.

Kelvin Einarson

No. I didn't mention that it didn't enhance yield. I said that it did not improve the net income of producers.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Storseth Conservative Westlock—St. Paul, AB

Okay.

5:20 p.m.

Director and Secretary Treasurer, Manitoba Forage Seed Association Inc.

Kelvin Einarson

If you look at farm income over the last number of years, you'll see that gross receipts have gone that way, and net farm income has gone this way. It has stayed stable.

In the case of canola, years ago we had Hyola 401, which was a conventional variety. It yielded just as well as any GMO canola that I grow in my operation today.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Storseth Conservative Westlock—St. Paul, AB

But we did just have a producer from Acme come here and say that he had just recently in the last couple of years experimented with GMO versus organic, and he had over double the yield on his GMO that he did on his organic. But that's not a question.

I'll pass the rest of my time over to Mr. Hoback.

5:20 p.m.

Chairman, Manitoba Forage Council

Jim Lintott

Could I just comment on that?

5:20 p.m.

Director and Secretary Treasurer, Manitoba Forage Seed Association Inc.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Storseth Conservative Westlock—St. Paul, AB

Well, actually I'd let you comment on it, but I'm just commenting on it, and now Mr. Hoback can take the rest of the time.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

He knows he's in trouble if he doesn't want him to comment on it.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Storseth Conservative Westlock—St. Paul, AB

No, the only one in trouble here, Wayne, is the one who's flip-flopping on it.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

Order.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I apologize before—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Storseth Conservative Westlock—St. Paul, AB

I mean, do you really believe in the science-based trade, Wayne? We have quotes up the yingyang on it.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

That's why we're having the debate.

5:20 p.m.

Director and Secretary Treasurer, Manitoba Forage Seed Association Inc.

Kelvin Einarson

An analogy like that--

5:20 p.m.

A voice

You haven't been in the industry for--

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Larry Miller

The members can use their time as they want, Mr. Einarson, and he's turned it over to Mr. Hoback.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I apologize, guys, if I was a little short with you in the last round of questions. It's just that we only get so much time and you have to try to get so much out there. Five minutes is not enough time to do it in.

There's one question I want to ask you, though. If the LLP was at 1%, how much industry would you lose, how much market share?

5:20 p.m.

President, Imperial Seed (1979) Ltd.

Kurt Shmon

The LLP at 1% has the ability to kill the market share.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

One hundred per cent?

5:20 p.m.

President, Imperial Seed (1979) Ltd.

Kurt Shmon

If the LLP is at 1%, it does have the ability, if it's improperly managed, to kill the market—zero.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

So 1% LLP in alfalfa would kill the marketplace.

Half a per cent?

5:20 p.m.

President, Imperial Seed (1979) Ltd.

Kurt Shmon

It can kill the market. It can, because as I was saying—

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

So you're saying there's no tolerance in alfalfa at all.

5:20 p.m.

President, Imperial Seed (1979) Ltd.

Kurt Shmon

Europe has zero tolerance. Zero. If a seed is found, even if it's a canola seed, I lose my contract and it comes back. I'm out hundreds of thousands of dollars.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Okay. As far as other markets go, then, you wouldn't explore other markets.