I just want to continue this conversation because I'm trying to make a determination as to where you two disagree. Maybe you could outline. Vanessa, maybe you could give me Paul's perspective on this and, Paul, you could give me Vanessa's perspective on this.
I'd really like to find out exactly where we disagree here because, Paul, you identified the core root of what my concern is, that artists are not getting paid for the creativity and the work that they're doing. I want to make a determination as to what direction we need to move here.