Evidence of meeting #116 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David Dendooven  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy, Planning and Corporate Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Geneviève Desjardins
Ian Brodie  Professor, University of Calgary, As an Individual
Guillaume Rousseau  Law Professor, As an Individual
Geoffrey Sigalet  Assistant Professor, As an Individual
Marika Giles Samson  Director, Court Challenges Program of Canada
Humera Jabir  Staff Lawyer, West Coast Legal Education and Action Fund

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Any member can move a dilatory motion to adjourn.

5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Mr. Chair, there was a list of members who were waiting to speak. I'm not sure you're following the order on that list.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Mr. Coteau, I'll recognize you.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Considering that the Conservative member said he had 10 minutes left, perhaps we can go 10 minutes longer.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Thank you, Mr. Coteau.

It's a dilatory motion, so we're going to have a vote on the dilatory motion to adjourn.

I'll hand it over to the clerk.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Do you not need unanimous consent?

5:30 p.m.

The Clerk

You need a majority.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Okay.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Do you want me to do it by show of hands?

April 18th, 2024 / 5:30 p.m.

The Clerk

You can do either one.

I just want to double-check on a last-minute substitution to see who I have on my list right now.

The vote is on the motion to adjourn the meeting.

(Motion negatived: nays 7; yeas 3)

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

The motion is defeated.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

On a point of order, Mr. Chair.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Go ahead, Mr. Gourde.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Since the meeting seems to be continuing and some of our colleagues have to leave, how much time is left for this meeting? I believe we're all quite pressed because one of my colleagues has to leave within the next five minutes.

5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Mr. Chair, I have an answer for Mr. Gourde.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Go ahead, Mr. Champoux.

5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

We have two minutes left to adopt my amendment and two minutes to adopt the amended motion.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

I agree. We have five minutes, if you don't mind.

We're going to get back to this amendment now. Is anyone else going to speak to Mr. Champoux's amendment?

Go ahead, Mrs. Thomas.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I think you have a list. I just want to make sure that I'm actually next.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Who's up first?

Go ahead, Mrs. Thomas.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I have the same problem with the amendment that I have with Mr. Noormohamed's motion, which is that our amendments are being asked for ahead of hearing from witnesses. There's no world in which it makes sense to be expected to have all of our amendments put together and submitted before we've even heard all of the testimony. I'm sorry. That is an unreasonable request.

It's a very minor change. I ask that it be corrected so that we are able to hear from all of the witnesses and we're able to take all of the testimony into consideration before having to put forward amendments. It's not partisan; it's just good process. I hope you hear my plea and you'll make a friendly amendment to that.

I guess I can offer a subamendment. I'll do that, then.

My subamendment is that the deadline for amendments be May 3. That's the day after we hear from the final witness, and it will still allow us to start clause-by-clause consideration by May 7.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

The only change then, Mrs. Thomas, is that the committee schedule a minimum of three meetings with witnesses, which will be on April 18, April 30 and May 3.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

No. The amendment that was made stands. My subamendment is that the deadline for amendments be May 3.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh

Is there any discussion on that?

Go ahead, Mr. Champoux.

5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

I have two questions about that.

First, I agree on the subamendment. I think it's essential that we have the time we need to do our work properly. This is a bill, not some pointless study. It's important. I'm in favour of Ms. Thomas's subamendment because it allows us a little more time.

However, I have a question in mind, and perhaps the analysts can answer it.

If we proceed as proposed, are we allowing ourselves enough time between the deadline for amendments, May 3, and the start of clause-by-clause, on May 7?