Evidence of meeting #73 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
A recording is available from Parliament.
12:30 p.m.
Bloc
Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC
It ends with “d'imposer un moratoire sur les projets d'énergie renouvelable”.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
I'll read the motion as it would be amended by the proposed amendment, just to make sure we're on the same page.
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
La motion would read “que, conformément à l'article 108(2), le Comité permanent de l'environnement et du développement durable invite Rich Kruger, PDG de Suncor, à expliquer pourquoi leurs entreprises abandonnent les objectifs climatiques qu'elles s'étaient fixés antérieurement face à l'urgence climatique malgré l'essor de l'industrie dans la province”.
12:30 p.m.
Bloc
Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC
Now I see what you were saying, Mr. Chair. You're right: it could be deleted to the end, including “malgré l'essor de l'industrie dans la province”.
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
So we would delete everything right up to the word “province”.
12:30 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
Okay.
It's not complicated. We want to delete the passage after “l'urgence climatique” up to the semicolon. So we would delete the passage from “ainsi qu'à inviter” to “malgré l'essor de l'industrie dans la province”.
12:35 p.m.
Bloc
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Bloc
Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC
Mr. Bachrach's motion deals with two things: the oil and gas companies, which are not taking climate targets into account at all, and what happened in Alberta.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Mr. Chair, on a point of order, can we have this in writing? Right now you're just jotting notes. Can we have this in writing so that we're all looking at the same thing and we all know what we're debating? Can we get this circulated, please?
12:35 p.m.
Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
I don't know; you had to do lots of doodling there. I think it's—
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Liberal
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Conservative
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
I can read in English what we'd be striking out.
The motion is basically the same, except we've added the Alberta minister of energy and mines, the Honourable Brian Jean. We're all clear on that. There's no objection to that.
What Madame Pauzé is doing is that she wants to take out the reference to the Alberta Energy Regulator. Basically, in English it would end after “in the face of a climate emergency”, and then you'd have a semicolon. We'd be taking this out: “as well as invite the Alberta Energy Regulator in a separate meeting to explain the decision to place a moratorium on renewable energy projects despite the booming industry in the province”. All of that would be out.
The logic is that Madame Pauzé does not think we should be getting involved in a provincial jurisdiction. It's all pretty simple. I mean, I think everyone understands.
Is that correct, Ms. Pauzé?
12:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
Perfect.
So you may continue to defend your proposed amendment.
12:35 p.m.
Bloc
Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC
I will go back to my argument.
You can take a ruler and strike out what I said. It doesn't change any other wording; it just deletes the passage.
What I find especially interesting about Mr. Bachrach's motion is the first part, which refers to the fact that the oil and gas companies, particularly North American ones like BP and Shell, are backtracking on their commitments, somewhat behind the scenes. All of a sudden, they no longer have their targets and they definitely haven't put in the effort needed to limit warming according to the plan set out in the Paris Agreement.
However, the other part of the motion concerns the jurisdictions of Quebec and the provinces, as well as their environmental sovereignty. That's why I voted earlier against calling the minister from Alberta.
I'm therefore moving this amendment that respects the jurisdictions of Quebec and the provinces.
12:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
Would anyone else like to speak?
Mr. Mazier, you have the floor.
12:35 p.m.
Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
I completely agree with Madame Pauzé on that one. I think that's been the problem I've had with this all the way along. We're isolating the minister. I guess I would ask that this be stricken.
Again, I would move that we remove bringing in the natural resource minister.
12:35 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
We have to deal with Madame Pauzé's amendment. Then you can present an amendment.