Evidence of meeting #51 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was conservative.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Kasra Nejatian  As an Individual

8:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

Mr. Chair, I want to thank the member for the question.

I should point that I'm actually a fan of the state broadcaster. I think CBC radio is absolutely fantastic. I think the media has overall been very fair to me throughout this matter. My mother made a complaint that they kept referring to me as “she”. That seems to have been corrected. I'm sure no ill intent was there when questions were asked about my going back to Iran. Having made a mistake for which I'm here before you to apologize, I'm happy to.

8:25 p.m.

Conservative

Harold Albrecht Conservative Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

Mr. Chair, I have no question as to whether there was ill intent or not. The fact is a statement was inaccurate, it's on the public record, and I think it's important to recognize that you as a private citizen, or myself as a private citizen, or any member of Parliament has the right to expect that accurate information is given, and when it isn't that there's a full public apology. Even that often ends up going to Canadians who didn't even see the original statement. So you can never correct a wrong that's being done.

But thank you for appearing tonight and thank you for your forthright apology.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

8:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

I should point out that, on my own behalf, I'm happy to accept an apology from the state broadcaster. I don't need one, but I'm happy to meet any of its reporters in any fine establishment in Ottawa and he can apologize and buy me a pint.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Don't hold your breath.

Okay, we have time for a third round, colleagues.

Dr. Bennett, five minutes, if it's necessary.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

In that this was a mistake, can you tell me, other than hearing this in question period by the leader of the New Democratic Party, had any other member of the Alberta caucus noticed this mistake and reported it to you?

8:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

Mr. Chair, I want to thank the honourable member for the question.

I left the office, and the phone number listed on the letters, about 20 minutes after the issue came up in question period. If folks in the Alberta caucus have reached out to the office, I wouldn't be aware of it. I certainly haven't had any contact with any member of the Alberta caucus since I left.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Do you not think it's a bit odd that if this was indeed a big mistake, another member of caucus wouldn't have noticed the mistake and let you know about it? We are only led to believe that it was not abnormal to get a letter from the minister's office with totally partisan content.

8:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

I assure the member it was abnormal for me to send out a letter. I can't tell you how much I wish someone else had caught the mistake before it showed up in question period. No one did.

8:25 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

I guess the question is this. In a culture that is so hyper-partisan, do you think that people have actually stopped noticing that this is abnormal, in the sense that it didn't seem to be in your training, the administrative assistant didn't catch it...? Nobody caught it because maybe this is normal in terms of how this government operates, by carrying out totally partisan activities with a great number of staff within a minister's office.

We're going to ask again for you to list the number of members of the minister's office who actually participated in not only the letter but in the preparation of these documents, the ministerial staff, the exempt staff, and the non-exempt staff. Who had their hands on this in the minister's office in the government department?

8:25 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

I know this is the second time the member has asked the question, so I will take that part of it first.

The letter was, I suppose, handled by me, my assistant, and the two volunteers. I believe the chief of staff saw a text of the letter, but not the actual letter. The presentation was handled by the party's advertising agency. I made some edits to it. I don't think anyone else in the office saw it.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

In the letter it said that you were writing on behalf of the minister, that he'd instructed you. I guess I'd like to know when and on how many occasions the minister discussed the material with you. How did the minister instruct you? Verbally? By phone? E-mail? Had the minister vetted the content and the letter?

8:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

I've stated before that the minister didn't see the letter. He didn't see the content, the wording, anything. He was in Pakistan. I spoke with the minister about the presentation once. I believe it was around 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. on Tuesday night. He didn't see the letter. I'm trying to be helpful. I don't know if that's adequately definitive. I assure you that the minister did not see the letter before it went out.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Our colleagues on this side are wondering as staff member after staff member gets thrown under the bus...with ministerial accountability--

8:30 p.m.

An hon. member

How many?

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Well, we have very many.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

One speaker, please.

Dr. Bennett.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

In your understanding of ministerial accountability, is the minister not responsible for everything that happens in his office?

8:30 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

I would like to say two things in response.

I certainly don't feel wronged. I made a mistake. A mistake was made under my supervision. It was made in direct contradiction to the minister's request. I don't feel wronged by anyone through this process. It was my responsibility. I failed at it.

I believe there was a second part to the question about ministerial responsibility. While I know some things about this place, its history and traditions, I don't pretend to be an expert on ministerial responsibility. I can say that I don't feel wronged by this. I feel I made the mistake. It was my responsibility. I feel that I took the appropriate corrective action.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you, Dr. Bennett.

We're going to go to Mr. Calandra.

March 21st, 2011 / 8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Paul Calandra Conservative Oak Ridges—Markham, ON

Thank you very much for coming. I know it's difficult for you.

I remember you from when you were running as an Alliance candidate in 2000. I was also an Alliance candidate. I remember how unique it was having an 18-year-old run at the time. It's not an easy time to be young and working in government. You had the Liberal Party at one point not long ago calling people who worked for us young, 25-year-old jihadists. I'm not sure how that would have made you feel, but there is obviously a lot of disrespect that comes from the opposition. They seem to pile on. You've acknowledged that you've made a mistake. You don't feel wronged or slighted by what happened, and I commend you for that.

I can tell you as an Italian Canadian that it's truly funny to be here and listen to the Liberals, in particular the Liberal Party, start talking about how frightening it is that the Conservative Party of Canada is actually speaking to immigrant communities or new Canadian communities. As somebody who grew up in the 1970s and 1980s with Italian parents who came in the 1960s, I can tell you I spent a lot of time at meetings where the Liberal Party of Canada did nothing more than talk about how bad Conservatives were, how pathetic the NDP were, and why the only party you could ever trust was the Liberals.

One of the reasons I became a Conservative was because through all those years I saw that the Liberals didn't really care about new Canadians; they only cared about their vote every once in a while.

Look at the Italian Canadian community. I'll get to a question. A Liberal member of Parliament sponsored a bill we have in front of this House that sought to apologize to Italian Canadians. They didn't bring down that bill through 13 years of Liberal majority. They didn't think the Italian Canadian community was important enough to talk to during all of those years of majority Liberal government, but when they thought they could divide the Italian community and sought to win a seat in Vaughan, they brought a bill forward that they knew would try to divide or put a wedge between the Italian Canadian community. They're all about wedge politics, and it is truly, absolutely offensive to somebody whose parents came here and busted their behinds—as yours did—to hear this kind of garbage from the opposition.

This is a minister and a government that has welcomed and brought in 280,000 immigrants to this country, the largest portion ever. When the economic downturn struck, we actually opened the doors more because we see immigrants as a positive benefit to our community. We work with our provincial partners to make sure that the right type of people are coming to Canada so they can have jobs when they get here. We've reformed the refugee system to make it more responsive so that the right people are getting here. We've reduced the waiting list from a million people almost in half, if not even further. We've increased the budget for Immigration Canada dramatically. Through all of this the opposition have consistently voted against us at every turn, and yet the only thing they can bring forward to committee are young people...they call them jihadists. They tell us that we should somehow be worried about young people working within the public sector.

Let me ask you this again. Did you make a mistake, yes or no?

8:35 p.m.

As an Individual

8:35 p.m.

Conservative

Paul Calandra Conservative Oak Ridges—Markham, ON

Okay. Do you regret the mistake you made, yes or no?

8:35 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

I deeply regret the mistake.

8:35 p.m.

Conservative

Paul Calandra Conservative Oak Ridges—Markham, ON

If you had another opportunity, would you make the same mistake?

8:35 p.m.

As an Individual

Kasra Nejatian

I assure you I will never, ever, ever, ever send another letter out without looking at the top--