Evidence of meeting #10 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was obhrai.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Randolph Mank  Director General, Asia South and Pacific Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
John F. G. Hannaford  Director General and Deputy Legal Adviser, , Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Peter McGovern  Director General, Bilateral Commercial Relations, Asia and Americas, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Adèle Dion  Director General, Human Security and Human Rights Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Angela Crandall

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I was hoping we could just call the question, in light of the fact that it's 5:30. If the government wanted to have the opinion of the House on what it thinks of the Manley report, the government could bring forward a motion on any given day. If they want to do that, they can. Let's just call the question and vote on it.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

We have a speaking list here, so we'll get through it.

Mr. Obhrai.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Deepak Obhrai Conservative Calgary East, AB

In response to Mr. Chan's question and in response to Paul Dewar's question and everybody's question, the simple fact of the matter is that this is an independent committee of the Parliament of Canada, not the Government of Canada. You are not responding to the Government of Canada. This committee is doing a report on Afghanistan that will be presented to Parliament as independent. And now within exactly the argument that you are making is what the argument is, that we are calling the panel here as part of all the other witnesses.

You can say very clearly what you just said in the report when you are listening to the panel, by putting your own argument in this thing by saying, “I don't agree with you”. But this is exactly the debate we are talking about. And the debate on Afghanistan is that we undertook in this committee to study Afghanistan. Now, as part of that report of the dialogue on the Afghanistan issue, here is one portion out there that will come and tell us...as you have put forward committee people for evidence, from all sides of things here.

What is wrong? I don't even understand what is wrong, why we cannot bring one panel here to listen to their point of view for a comprehensive report. The defence committee was not doing it; they cancelled it.

But, Mr. Chan, you must understand that this is an independent panel to study this report. Look, we have put forward minority reports. You put forward a minority report. You put forward dissenting opinions. Now you have this thing out here and you are getting afraid.

Let me put it to you point-blank, Mr. Chan. Are you afraid of the Manley report? Then why are you not listening to it?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you, Mr. Obhrai.

I just want to say this, because the question has come, why didn't Manley come here? With all due respect to Mr. Manley, in the middle of a report, he would come and do what? To question us or to come and have us question him? What I would imagine Mr. Manley would believe is that he would finish his report, would come to the conclusions of his report, and then would be willing to be questioned on that report.

Let me say one other thing. If you recall, our committee was oh so anxious to finish our report so that Manley would have our report to reference in the building of his report. We said, all different people said, that he can reference our evidence at any time. He can go to the website. Our evidence is there. He may well have done that. But as anxious as we were to hear from Manley, we didn't even finish our report.

Wait a minute. That's an aside. That was for free.

Mr. Patry.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bernard Patry Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Thank you.

Deepak, you called me and I told that any time you'd like to have, as in the first paragraph of your motion, the Ministers of National Defence, Foreign Affairs, International Cooperation, government witnesses, any witnesses, to tell us what they want to do with the Manley report, how they will tackle the Manley report for the future of this country--I agreed with this. But the Manley report is a government report, and I'm not willing to have Mr. Manley come here and tell us what I could have read, because I read it from one page to the other in the airplane. And if the defence committee didn't want it.... Why did the defence committee not want to see the report of Mr. Manley? It concerns Defence more than Foreign Affairs, and they say they're not interested. It's up to us, and I don't think we should have Mr. Manley on the independent panel. Any ministers are always more than welcome here in our committee.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Mr. Chan, you know what, I'm going to--

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Raymond Chan Liberal Richmond, BC

I have to set the record straight, Mr. Chair.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

I don't know if you do. You've been on here three times already. You set the record straight; then he sets the record straight.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Raymond Chan Liberal Richmond, BC

No. He's putting words into my mouth.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

No, he's not.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Raymond Chan Liberal Richmond, BC

When did I say I don't want Mr. Manley to come? Check the record. I never said that.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Well, we'll check the record, because you said some interesting things.

Madame Boucher.

5:35 p.m.

Chan

I criticized the report; I never said he shouldn't come.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Now we're going to calm down so that Madame Boucher can speak. She'll be the last speaker on this.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

I would like to come back to what Mr. Chan said, when he spoke of all the Canadians who had not been seen or heard. Did you not feel like going to visit the military bases and going to meet the soldiers, the ones who voluntarily sign up to go to Afghanistan? Did you not feel like meeting these people who are fighting over there for the sake of freedom? Come to Quebec City and go to see the 22nd Regiment, go to Valcartier.

5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Vivian Barbot Bloc Papineau, QC

You have to go to Kandahar.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Sylvie Boucher Conservative Beauport—Limoilou, QC

I have no objections, I am ready to go to Kandahar, but I am trying to explain…

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

All right. All those in favour of Mr. Obhrai's motion as amended?

(Motion negatived)

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Seeing that the clock is 5:35 p.m., we are now going to adjourn.

Thank you, committee.