Evidence of meeting #14 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was discuss.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bomer Pasaribu  Head of Delegation, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
Taufan Tampubolon  Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
Abdul Hakim  Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
H. Faisal  Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
Tomy Susanto  Secretary, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
Fasrudin Arief Budiman  Secretary, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
Azwar Chesputra  Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
Junisab Akbar  Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia
Saut Siringoringo  Minister-Counsellor, Embassy of the Republic of Indonesia
Andy Laksmana  Third Secretary, Embassy of the Republic of Indonesia
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Angela Crandall

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Good afternoon.

We are very delighted this afternoon to have in the second hour of our meeting our friends from the Embassy of the Republic of Indonesia. There is also a delegation from the House of Representatives of Indonesia.

Since the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1953, Canada and Indonesia have maintained a very strong and friendly partnership. We continue to work together on many different issues, including human rights, governance, and pluralism. We work together very closely with Indonesia on counter-terrorism as well.

So we're delighted today in our foreign affairs committee to welcome this delegation. We look forward to some comments you may have.

I would hope that today, in the spirit of what we're trying to do here, you would even be willing to perhaps field a couple of questions that we may have about your country and on the different issues I've mentioned, and maybe others.

Welcome.

I'll pass it over to you for any comments you may have.

4:45 p.m.

Dr. Bomer Pasaribu Head of Delegation, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Thank you, Mr. Sorenson.

I am Dr. Bomer Pasaribu.

First of all, on behalf of the members of the Canada-Indonesia Interparliamentary Friendship Group, I would like to express our sincere gratitude for the warm welcome to our delegation here. On this visit, I am the chairperson of the Interparliamentary Friendship Group of Indonesia from the Golkar Party. My party was the winner of the last elections, in 2004, but in this past election, last month, my party lost, coming in second. The Democratic Party of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono now is the winner. Next July there will be a presidential election. The conclusion of the presidential election will be in September.

The membership of the friendship group in Indonesia comprises ten MPs, but only six have come here to Canada. The House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia has 550 members, ten factions, and eleven commissions. It has three main functions, like your Parliament here; namely, the legislative function, the oversight function, and the budgeting function. Apart from the eleven commissions, it has supporting bodies, including the Steering Committee, Committee for Inter-Parliamentary Cooperation, the Legislation Council, the Household Committee, the Conduct Council, and the Budget Committee. The Canada-Indonesia Interparliamentary Friendship Group is under the Committee for Inter-Parliamentary Cooperation in Indonesia.

As chairperson, it is a pleasure to be here in Canada. We come to this country with the purpose, first, of maintaining close relations between Canada and Indonesia's parliaments. As you might know, the diplomatic relationship between Indonesia and Canada formally began on October 9, 1952, 57 years ago, marked by the opening of the representative offices of the respective countries. Second, we are here to exchange information; third, for institutional capacity-building; and fourth, to follow up on the formation of the Canada-Indonesia Interparliamentary Friendship Group.

I would like to take this opportunity as chairperson to deliver our thanks for all of the support given by the Canadian government and the Canadian Parliament to Indonesia, especially for the large amount of attention given to the tsunami disaster in Aceh and North Sumatra, by forming a task force not only at the national level, led by the Prime Minister's deputy, but also at the interdepartmental level, led by Bill Graham, Minister of Defence of Canada at the time.

Second, we thank you for Canada's direct investments in Indonesia, in the mining sector, oil and gas, financial services, the environment, and also in the agrifood sector. Canada has also put its sole mining investment in Asia in Indonesia, in a mining company named PT Inco. PT Inco is located in South Sulawesi, with an investment value of more than $4 billion. According to Canadian statistics, the accumulated value of Canadian direct investment in Indonesia until 2003 was $6 billion, while total Canadian investment in Indonesia until the beginning of 2004 reached more than $7 billion. Besides that, Canadian companies have also engaged thousands of Indonesian people.

Mr. Chairperson, I'd like to introduce my colleagues from the Interparliamentary Friendship Group of Indonesia.

Please introduce yourself, Mr. Tampubolon.

4:50 p.m.

Taufan Tampubolon Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Good afternoon.

My name is Taufan Tampubolon. I am a member of Parliament of Indonesia. My area of work is health and labour. I am from the PDIP Party.

Thanks for having us.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you for being here.

4:50 p.m.

Abdul Hakim Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

My name is Abdul Hakim, from the Prosperous Justice Party, PKS. I am from the committee of the public sector, the transport commission.

Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

H. Faisal Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Good evening.

My name is Faisal. I am a member of Parliament and the PBR Party, and a member of the health committee.

Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

Tomy Susanto Secretary, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

My name is Tomy Susanto, from the Reform Star Party.

Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

Fasrudin Arief Budiman Secretary, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

My name is Budiman. I am secretary of staff. This is my first time in Canada. It's nice to meet you all.

Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

While you're continuing, you've used a couple of party initials. We have the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle, and the Indonesian....

What do these parties stand for, and which parties are in power? You may want to share which one is the new governing party.

4:50 p.m.

Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Taufan Tampubolon

Excuse me, could you repeat the question, please?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Is your political party now the governing party of Indonesia?

4:50 p.m.

Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

4:50 p.m.

Head of Delegation, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Dr. Bomer Pasaribu

I can explain about that.

Taufan is the vice-chairperson of this group and he is from the PDI Perjuangan, which means the Democratic Party of Indonesia—Struggle, formerly the party of Megawati Sukarnoputri, the former president.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Okay, I see.

4:55 p.m.

Head of Delegation, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Dr. Bomer Pasaribu

He was the president, but now the PDI Perjuangan is the opposition party. And the second one, PKS, is the Justice Party. But may I call it the Muslim party?

4:55 p.m.

A voice

Yes.

4:55 p.m.

Head of Delegation, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Dr. Bomer Pasaribu

Yes, it's the Muslim party. And they received 8% of the popular vote in the last election. In the election of 2004, they received only 7%.

PBR is a very nice name for a party, and there is the Reform Star Party. But I am very sad to tell you that in this election—because we have a parliamentary threshold of 2.5% of the popular vote—I am afraid that maybe that party has not passed the parliamentary threshold.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

It's not the governing party.

4:55 p.m.

Azwar Chesputra Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

My name is Azwar Chesputra of the Golkar Party, the same as Bomer Pasaribu.

Thank you.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you.

4:55 p.m.

Junisab Akbar Member, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

My name is Junisab Akbar of the Reform Star Party.

4:55 p.m.

Saut Siringoringo Minister-Counsellor, Embassy of the Republic of Indonesia

My name is Saut Siringoringo. I am minister counsellor of the Indonesian embassy here in Ottawa.

Thank you.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

All right, thank you. That clears that up.

4:55 p.m.

Head of Delegation, House of Representatives of the Republic of Indonesia

Dr. Bomer Pasaribu

Mr. Sorenson, we would like to discuss something that is very important to us: the public policy of your country and your Parliament and how to handle the global financial crisis. There is also the global food crisis, global warming, human rights issues; there are many issues. We'd like to discuss how you can help developing countries like Indonesia with investment. We know the impact of the global economic crisis in Indonesia. Our target for economic growth was 7.3%, but now it's only maybe 3%--still positive, but our exports now have negative growth. We have to discuss how to handle the global financial crisis.

We would like your opinion about regulating the financial sector. According to many experts, financial stability is a public good. If financial stability is a public good, I think it is our duty as members of Parliament--not only the government, but the executive branch and the legislative branch also.... There are many discussions about that in Indonesia, as in many countries.

There are also discussions about the Kyoto Protocol, about global warming, and the conference in Copenhagen next December. What is your opinion about that, and also about the green legislation program? In Indonesia, with forestry regulations, if you have a bill or an act, it's very important for Indonesia, because we are going to proceed with what they call the anti-illegal-logging bill that's still in Parliament now. There's also the land and water conservation bill. There are many bills in Parliament. We call it the green legislation bill in Parliament. There are so many issues.

My colleague can speak about this also, and I can translate it.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

All right.

Those are all very good questions. I'm not sure if we can get into comprehensive answers here today, but I certainly know that we've talked already about how Canada has a very active trading relationship with Indonesia. We import so much from your manufacturing sector. I know we've all been hit very hard by the recession. You sell into so many markets that are consumer markets, like the United States, Great Britain, and Canada, so I would assume that there has been a big hit on your exporting at this point in time.

Mr. Obhrai is wanting to answer some of those questions. I think he probably had a question of his own. I'll throw it over to him. Mr. Rae and Mr. Crête were on the list too. I know everyone wants to answer those questions.

Mr. Obhrai.