Evidence of meeting #4 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was relationship.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Fen Osler Hampson  Chancellor's Professor and Director, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs
Michael Hart  Simon Reisman Chair in Trade Policy, Norman Paterson School of International Affairs
Elaine Feldman  Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you, Mr. Hampson.

I would just like to close with one quick question here.

Mr. Hart, when you were speaking you talked about our border and how since the early 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, we realized we needed to improve the border relations, allowing more vehicles across, and then all of a sudden in 2001—bang—everything started to slow down, and since then we've talked a lot about security.

You then said that we need to get back to where we ask how we can allow this kind of commerce and trade to take place, recognizing the numbers and the integration of the two countries. And there was general agreement all around the table, everyone was nodding their head. And then you said that we need to do some work on security first, and all of a sudden the nodding stopped. What do you see are the big needs here to complement maybe what the States has but to satisfy their concerns?

4:25 p.m.

Prof. Michael Hart

The United States faced a real problem on September 12, 2001. They had a real security problem and they reacted. And they reacted by bolstering resources, by introducing new programs, and by introducing new technologies, without really thinking about long-term consequences on their relationship with Canada.

I was astounded to learn from one of the papers we commissioned for our project that the United States has sextupled the human resources on the Canada-U.S. border, which to me is a very threatening number and which indicates a lack of confidence by the United States in our ability to ensure that the border is handled not only as an economic border but also as a security border.

Now we've introduced quite a number of programs where we've worked together. We have a lot of people working together, for instance, at the Port of Halifax and at the Port of Vancouver, where we're looking toward ensuring that stuff coming from outside of North America enters North America and is safe. I think that's the kind of thing we need to do. We need to build confidence with the United States by building together not only institutions at the border where we're confident in each other but also on the perimeter. We need to make sure we do these things together, that we don't do them separately, along two separate paths with the result that we don't meet. I think we need to do it together, and we need to, first of all and foremost, build confidence in the United States that we will be a partner in ensuring not only that Canada is safe but that North America is safe.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you, Mr. Hart.

Mr. Hampson, last round.

4:30 p.m.

Prof. Fen Osler Hampson

I think we need to get very concrete about how we're going to speed movement across the border. And I would suggest that one of the things we could do with some of the new infrastructure money that is being made available not just in Canada but in the United States is to look toward some new pilot projects that—for lack of a better word—could be called fast and safe border approaches.

That is to say, if we're going to start building some new bridges or new tunnels to replace the very creaky infrastructure that's there, let's invest in using some new technology and some new approaches to speeding transit across those bridges—or a bridge that will make use of new technology to speed up pre-clearance. And if we can show that it works and that we can cooperate in a way that makes it work, then that's something that you can sell as an existence theorem to the public, that there are ways of doing business and that we're going to start changing the way we're doing business at the border.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you very much.

That concludes our first hour. It went far too quickly.

I just want to do a little advertising for Mr. Hart. This is the book that he authored, From Pride to Influence: Towards a New Canadian Foreign Policy .

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Can I bring my books next time?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

You must have piles of them somewhere that were never sold, Mr. Rae.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

They're in my garage, ready to go.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

I haven't had the opportunity to look through this, but please take the opportunity, if you can, to pick up a book. They can be ordered off the website. The last time we looked, it was only in hardcover, but this is a softcover. They must be available there now, or coming soon.

Thank you very much. We'll suspend for a minute and allow the departmental officials time to take their seats.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Good afternoon. We've gone a little over time in our first hour here. In our second hour we're going to hear from the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade. Ms. Feldman is our assistant deputy minister for North America. I apologize that I didn't get a chance to get over and meet you prior to your taking your chairs. We also have with us Kim Butler, director general of North American general relations, and Deborah Lyons, director general, North American commercial affairs.

Perhaps you heard part of the first hour. We are conducting a little bit of a review and a study of Canada-U.S. relations, and we look forward to some of your comments.

Welcome. Ms. Feldman, please proceed.

4:35 p.m.

Elaine Feldman Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Honourable members, thank you for this invitation to speak to you about the Canada-U.S. relations dimensions of Canada's foreign policy. As you know, it is a topic that has received an enormous amount of attention across the country in recent weeks.

You are all aware, of course, that President Barack Obama was in Ottawa last Thursday for a working visit with the Prime Minister. The visit, which underscored the importance of the Canada-U.S. relationship, provided an important opportunity for the leaders to explore ways in which Canada and the United States can work together more closely to advance our shared bilateral and international objectives.

During the visit, the President and the Prime Minister discussed each country's efforts to strengthen our economies, as well as our respective economic recovery packages and how we can work together—including through the G-8 and the G-20 processes—to restore confidence in international markets and to help our economies recover. The leaders also discussed North American security, including the management of the Canada-U.S. border, environmental protection, and the development of clean energy technologies.

The visit was also an important occasion to set a positive and forward-looking tone to our relations with the new U.S. administration. As both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Foreign Affairs have indicated, we are seeking to renew our bilateral relationship with our most important partner, the United States. The continued good health of this relationship is vital to Canadian prosperity. The new U.S. administration presents an opportunity for both countries to find new ways to work together on shared priorities and challenges—on the economy, on climate change and energy, and on international security and foreign policy.

As assistant deputy minister for North America in the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, I can assure you that we have been working towards engaging the new administration in Congress for some time now. Through our embassy in Washington and our 22 missions in the United States, we have been very active in advocating Canada's interests and engaging the incoming key players in Washington and at the state government level. We do this in close cooperation with other federal government departments in order to ensure a whole-of-government approach to Canada-U.S. engagement.

In the United States, our missions have been working to reinforce to key American opinion leaders that Canada is a key economic and security partner and their largest energy supplier, that both countries will benefit from working together to strengthen our integrated economies during these difficult times, and that collaborating to protect our shared environment is in our best interests.

Here at home, the department has played a leading role in supporting the Government of Canada's efforts to engage the new administration for the benefit of Canadians, to coordinate the advancement of Canada's policy priorities, and to ensure that no U.S. actions negatively affect Canadian interests. We have also been working with the provinces and territories, including on visits to the United States by premiers, given that they too play an important role in advancing Canada-U.S. relations.

Since his election in November, President Obama has signalled an open, collaborative, and pragmatic approach and has indicated that the United States is looking for allies and partners on key issues. This is important for Canada's foreign policy, as it presents an opportunity for Canada to advance our interests by working with the United States to achieve our goals—for example, at the Summit of the Americas.

In fact, the deep and diverse relationship we share provides many opportunities for collaboration. We share political, economic, environmental, and social ties and many values and interests: from enhancing North American competitiveness to the defence and security of our continent, to international security priorities such as Afghanistan and nuclear non-proliferation, to our priorities in the hemisphere and the stewardship and protection of our shared environment. We also share the largest bilateral flow of goods, services, people, and capital between any two countries in the world.

Our first and most important challenge will certainly be to address the global economic downturn and to take action to promote the recovery of our economies. Given the paramount importance of the Canada-U.S. trading relationship and the highly integrated nature of the North American economy, Canada and the United States must continue to work together to promote the recovery and strengthening of our economies. More than $1 million of goods and services crosses the border every minute and well over 300,000 people each day. The economic outlook is challenging for the United States in the short and medium term, with some forecasters suggesting that the nation's GDP will contract by 6% in the first quarter of 2009. More than 600,000 jobs were lost in January. We have seen the fallout in Canada already as Canadian manufacturing, heavily dependent on U.S. business, suffered in December, dropping 8% in sales compared to the previous month. The auto industry, one of the sectors with the closest integration on the continent, is especially vulnerable.

We will continue to support Canadian businesses seeking assistance in the United States market, whether they want to deepen and secure current relationships or find new opportunities. To do this we have established a series of business development and advocacy networks on areas as diverse as energy, the economy, and defence cooperation, thus reaching out to a whole new range of stakeholders and business clients. We have greatly increased resources focused on the United States and have a stronger focus on the attraction and retention of greenfield investment, for example, but have also moved into completely new areas such as working with scientists and venture capitalists in the commercialization of emerging technologies. We've expanded our capability to conduct effective and targeted advocacy by using advanced research and database tools.

In order to protect and expand our commerce, there's no question that the Canada-U.S. border remains a policy priority for Canada and is also a key area for cooperation with the new administration. We have a long-standing security partnership that protects North America against terrorism. Our border, intelligence, and immigration agencies and police forces have been cooperating for decades. This cooperation must continue as the management of our shared border remains a key element of our close economic and security partnership with the United States. This includes ensuring that the border remains open to legitimate tourism and trade and closed to threats. Our highly integrated and interdependent economies, our collective competitiveness, and our economic recovery depend on smart and efficient border management at a time when our industries need all the help they can get.

It is also clear that environmental, climate change, and energy issues are policy priorities for both countries and present opportunities for collaboration. We have a long history of joint stewardship of the environment from air and water quality to wildlife management. This includes at least 50 federal bilateral arrangements, more than 100 arrangements at the state and provincial levels, and the 1909 Boundary Waters Treaty, which celebrates its 100th anniversary this year.

President Obama has been clear that the environment is one of his highest priorities and on the need for the United States to reduce its dependence on foreign energy supplies. Last week, during the visit of the president, the two leaders agreed to establish a senior level Canada-United States clean energy dialogue that will cooperate on several critical energy science and technology issues, including expanding clean energy research and development, the development and deployment of clean energy technology, and the building of a more efficient electric grid based on clean and renewable generation.

Looking beyond our continent to our wider foreign policy objectives, there are additional opportunities for collaboration to advance the interests of both countries. Canada has been and will continue to be an active partner to the United States through a number of multilateral fora and upcoming summits, including the G-8, the G-20, NATO, and the Summit of the Americas process. We are in a position where we can contribute to multilateral solutions to ongoing challenges and the government will seek to enhance our cooperation regarding our shared peace and security concerns, for example, on Afghanistan and on non-proliferation issues.

Our defence relationship with the United States has grown over the years and is central to our future security and well-being. Canada has benefited immensely from this defence partnership and we will continue to work with the United States at home and abroad. Indeed, defence cooperation has assured both our countries greater security than we could have achieved on our own.

Canada and the United States have a long and successful history of cooperation on global issues. We share the same values: freedom, democracy, human rights, and the rule of law. We welcome the new administration's enthusiasm for global engagement and its desire to rekindle United States' leadership in the world. We are confident that our unparalleled partnership will remain strong and forward looking as we work together to enhance North American competitiveness and for the security and well-being of our people.

Thank you.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you very much, Ms. Feldman.

We'll move to the first round.

Mr. Rae, please.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Thank you very much.

I have to confess, Mr. Chairman, I'm somewhat at a disadvantage because Ms. Feldman and I worked for many years on the softwood lumber file. I don't want to damage her future prospects by indicating what a terrific job she's done. She's a tremendous public servant and we're very lucky to have her working for the country.

I have a question that may strike you as a little odd, and maybe you're not the person to answer it. When we went through the last recession, I was in another job. One of the things we had to do right away was set up an early warning system on plant closures, and more particularly on investment decisions that companies were making. It's true that we're collaborating with the United States, but we're also competing with the United States. We're competing with states for plant locations; we're competing with states for where jobs and investment will go. Right now, in corporate boardrooms across the country and across North America, decisions are being made about where to cut, how to cut, where to allocate, where to focus production. What is the strategy of the Government of Canada with respect to those decisions, which are being made on a daily basis?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Elaine Feldman

I don't think I can answer all of your question, but I can tell you what we're doing in the United States. As I think I said in my statement, we have a network of 22 missions, plus the embassy, in the U.S. Some of them are consulates general, some are consulates, and some are trade offices. All our people recognize that the economy is the number one priority. The sorts of things you're talking about—plant closures and investment decisions—are what our people are focused on and reporting back to us on a continual basis. So we hear early about what is being talked about and bring it to the attention of the business community and our partners across the government so that appropriate action can be taken.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

Is there a focused group in Ottawa that works with the provincial governments across the country to deal with these decisions, before they get made, in a sense?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Elaine Feldman

Certainly within the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade we reach out to the provinces all the time. I'm new in this position, so I will be continuing a tradition of my predecessor in holding regular conference calls with the provinces and territories. My first one is next week. The Deputy Minister of International Trade does the same. He will be having a federal-provincial-territorial deputies meeting this week where these sorts of issues are number one on the agenda.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

As an organizational question, we went through a period where the department was supposed to be broken up, and then we went through a period where it was supposed to be integrated. Where does the department stand today?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Elaine Feldman

We're integrated. In my position as assistant deputy minister for North America, I'm responsible for both the general political relationship and the commercial relationship with the United States.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

And you report to both deputies?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Elaine Feldman

I report to both deputies and both ministers.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

And that works?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Elaine Feldman

Yes, it does.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

I'm not sure you'd tell me if it didn't, but that's okay.

Did either of your colleagues want to comment on that?

4:50 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Elaine Feldman

Deborah reminds me, of course, that we also have a part of the department that focuses on investment and is very involved in investment retention in Canada.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bob Rae Liberal Toronto Centre, ON

And where does that connect with the Department of Industry?