Thanks, Chair.
Thanks to all our guests.
Mr. Gillespie, I think you were fairly comprehensive, and I understand your point of view and how you've integrated things, so I'm not ignoring you, I'm just acknowledging you and the fact that you did give us a very comprehensive overview of what you do. I might note that you are also showing the model of what people are talking about with reference to universalizing our approach post-2015. That is, we don't just focus externally; we look at what's happening domestically, and I think you give us a really clear idea of what that looks like right now.
I want to go to our two other guests.
For many of the conflicts we're dealing with now, we're talking about societies and cultures in which a majority of the population is youth. I'm thinking of Central African Republic, for example, as well as South Sudan.
In both of those examples—and there are many others, and you cited some—there is this challenge around having the norms, if you will, reflect the needs for change. The norms are the silence and the lack of credibility of youth and their voices, and the idea—and both of you touched on this—of how you can protect children when children aren't heard or seen. In fact, there are the invisible children, as we've heard them referred to often and as we've seen in Nigeria.
On top of what you've mentioned in your recommendations, my question to both of you is this, because I'm not sure we do it well here in Canada. How do we put in place mechanisms to have children's voices at the table? Can you give examples if you have them? Ms. Pulfer has already given one. I'd like to see how that's connected as well to any of the UN processes.
I'll just leave that with both of you to answer. How do we get children's voices to be heard? I think that's what you both touched on. If we're going to talk about child protection, it can't just be something we do paternalistically. We really have to involve them.