Right. What I've seen in almost every situation I've come across and what people have asked me about is this. For example, we've taken money out of this situation, and yet I've consistently seen in the government announcements that we are simply redirecting the funding. Instead of paying lobbyists to lobby the government to get more money in order to lobby, for example, we wanted to have actual delivery of programs.
For some of the work that I saw, for example, through so-called literacy groups, there wasn't in fact much literacy work being done at all. It was straight advocacy. But I was encouraged to see the actual direct expenditure of money into reading programs and the like. I would prefer that the money actually go to help children, adults, and immigrants learn to read rather than simply paying lobbyists to do it.