Absolutely, and as I said, we can close the door and we are in camera and that's just the way it is.
Madam Chair, given what this expert witness has said, I must insist, and I'd like to make a motion, that we call the minister back and we ask for this information to be tabled once again, as we did before. Without that information, this committee is incapable of making a decision as to whether this is in the interest of the taxpayers or not, plain and simple.