Evidence of meeting #51 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was buildings.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Daphne Meredith  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Steven Poole  Acting Chief Executive Officer, Information Technology Services Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Tim McGrath  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Real Property Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Mike Hawkes  Chief Financial Officer, Finance Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

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Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

Have we factored that in as an option, as opposed to selling and leasing back?

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Chief Financial Officer, Finance Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Mike Hawkes

It will be assessed in the overall assessment of options. It has to be assessed.

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Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

By whom, sir?

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Chief Financial Officer, Finance Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Mike Hawkes

That will be assessed through the process of the fairness monitor and it will be assessed by the Department of Finance.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Madam Nash.

Oh, Monsieur Poilievre, I said one more question--

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

I would want to add one point to that. You're talking about borrowing money. We paid over $22 billion towards the debt over the last couple of years. It's a positive thing to pay down the debt. It's also very aggressive and it makes me think that if money were used for investing in our assets--

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

We're not going to hear an argument on that.

Mr. Poilievre, you have one more--and we're going to ask somebody from finance, I think, to come and speak to us about that.

Mr. Poilievre.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Yes, I simply want to make clear that it's not the position of the government that we should increase the national debt by an additional $2 billion and start paying interest to bankers in order to finance some cockamamie scheme put forward--

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Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

Well, that's so--

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Can you be quiet while someone else makes a comment?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

I think it's time--

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

No, it's not time. I'm going to make a comment.

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Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

Let's adjourn.

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Poilievre

We believe that we shouldn't be running budgetary deficits. I don't know if that might be a departure from that point of view on the side of the Liberals--

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Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

It's not a budgetary deficit. It's called a mortgage, buddy. Do you own a house?

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Poilievre

--but we also believe that you're on the right side of this debate in allowing government to focus on its core business instead of--

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Conservative

Garth Turner Conservative Halton, ON

I think you rent.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

We all recognize that real estate is not part of the core business of government. So we wish you well in--

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

Thank you, Mr. Poilievre.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

--pursuing some new efficiencies as you move forward. Thank you very much.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Diane Marleau

We have Minister Fortier, I'll remind you, coming on the 29th. It is on the 29th...the 31st. Oh, we keep it changing back and forth. We're going to continue to study the real estate issue.

I thank you very much for coming and for giving us this much information.

We have a guest on Thursday. We're dealing with procurement on Thursday and the trade laws that govern our procurement.

This meeting is adjourned.