Evidence of meeting #47 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

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4:20 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Daniel Jean

Absolutely, Mr. Cannan. I should probably have said, in answer to your earlier question, that the national museums also make a lot of effort to bring travelling exhibits to local museums, which is also a benefit for communities.

As you know, I mentioned in my opening remarks that third parties are investing in our communities. We have various programs that provide that kind of partnership with local communities—maybe for festivals, maybe for commemorations like the ones you've described. We want to continue to work very closely with these communities across Canada. For us, it's very important.

There's more and more evidence that art, culture, and sport can promote the health of communities and can make them more vibrant. It also engages volunteers.

Through the efforts we make in sports, arts, and culture, yes, we're trying very much to promote vibrant communities.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

The Chair Pat Martin

Thank you, Mr. Jean.

Thank you, Ron. That's your time.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ron Cannan Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you very much.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

The Chair Pat Martin

We have two speakers left on the list and about six minutes. I'm going to ask you to do three minutes each, please.

Please do three minutes, Pierre.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, QC

I met people from the contemporary music community. This is music that has no market as such. Those people testified that they had had contact with some of your colleagues, including a certain Pierre Lalonde. He told them that $1.3 million was normally allocated to the contemporary music budget and that, as a result of some changes, that amount had been awarded to Factor and Musicaction. I found no trace of that, but I am not very familiar with that kind of directory.

However, for that music category, an amount of $1.3 million was apparently transferred and another amount of $600 million was ultimately transferred back to the Canada Council. Does that transfer sound familiar to you?

4:20 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Daniel Jean

That does not sound familiar to me, from the way you say it. As you know, I explained in my comments earlier that we have more than $24 million worth of investments in music.

Music programs are affected by the deficit reduction action plan. The program related to the "creation" sub-component is being eliminated because a lot of other creative initiatives are already in existence both in the private sector and on the Internet. This is a $1-million cut to the program envelope based on the formulae for the entrepreneur, the people who make records and who receive that money. In fact, it is the biggest producers who will be hit harder in the circumstances.

No, I do not know what you are referring to.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, QC

This probably has a greater impact on the budget that comes specifically from the Canada Council because we are talking about a form of music that does not receive major industry support; it is not on the programs of industry sites.

With regard to the Canada Council, we note no request for a transfer of funding to the Canada Council to fund arts research in the 2012 or 2013 versions. Did I not clearly understand what you just told me, or is there indeed a shortfall this time?

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Daniel Jean

Once again, it is often more a matter of profile than of recurring spending because we make transfers. For example, in the supplementary estimates, I believe you will see a transfer to the Humanities and Social Sciences Research Council of Canada because a one-time research project is being conducted there. You will not necessarily see that every year. When we have research partnerships, we make transfers through the estimates.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel Longueuil—Pierre-Boucher, QC

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

The Chair Pat Martin

That concludes your three minutes. Thank you, Pierre.

Peter Braid, you have three or four minutes.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the witnesses for being here this afternoon.

I just want to start by coming back to a discussion we had earlier about two museums, the Canadian Museum for Human Rights in Winnipeg, which our chair is very rightly proud of, and secondly, the Museum of Nature.

First of all, with respect to the Canadian Museum for Human Rights, were some of the challenges you referred to earlier with respect to the construction of the museum? I just wanted you to clarify what you meant by your earlier remarks.

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Daniel Jean

I did not refer to challenges. I basically said this was not a cut. The chair suggested that the fact that there was less money this year was due to a cut. What I said is the remaining money that was attributed by the Government of Canada, the $100 million, was done last year, which is why there's less money this year. It's an issue of profile. It's not an issue of cuts.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

In your earlier statements you made some reference to there being some challenge with respect to the establishment of the Canadian Museum for Human Rights or the construction. I think you used the word “circus”. I'm not sure you necessarily meant to say that. Could you just clarify that?

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Daniel Jean

I don't think I used that language, sir.

May 28th, 2012 / 4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Peter Braid Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Thank you. We didn't think we heard that properly either. In fact, all of us on this side are very proud of that museum in Winnipeg.

With respect to the Museum of Nature, again, just to clarify, an increase in $4.6 million was largely for renovations. I believe you mentioned that before. Now again, this is a beautifully renovated and restored building, a building that's also of great significance to Canadian history. I think it was the location of Parliament as a result of the great fire here in 1916, and I believe it was also the location of the state funeral for Sir Wilfrid Laurier. Are all of those things correct?