Evidence of meeting #7 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was office.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Frank Brunetta  Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman
Janet Barrington  Principal, Quality Assurance and Risk Management, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman
Janet Labelle  Principal, Procurement Inquiries and Investigations, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

I call the meeting to order.

I'd like to welcome everyone to the 7th meeting of the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates in this 41st Parliament.

Today our orders of the day are witnesses from the Office of the Procurement Ombudsman. We have Mr. Frank Brunetta, the procurement ombudsman. With him is Janet Barrington, the principal for quality assurance and risk management. Welcome.

We have also Janet Labelle, principal for procurement inquiries and investigations. Welcome to you as well, Janet.

Will you have Mr. Paul Morse with you today as a witness?

3:30 p.m.

Frank Brunetta Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

I believe he is detained. I expect him to be here. He may be a little late.

3:30 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Very good. Thank you.

We would welcome opening remarks from you, Mr. Brunetta, and then you'll be available for questions from our colleagues on the committee.

3:30 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, honourable members for this invitation. I welcome the opportunity to discuss with you the content of the Office of the Procurement Ombudsman's 2010-2011 Annual Report.

Since being appointed in January 2011, I have benefited from the work undertaken by my predecessor, Mr. Shahid Minto, in establishing the office. Mr. Minto retired in July 2010, and the deputy procurement ombudsman oversaw the operations until my arrival.

From the time of my arrival, it has been evident that the office is made up of quality people who believe that what they are doing makes a difference to the fairness, openness, and transparency of federal procurement, and ultimately to the Canadian taxpayer. I am proud to have been chosen to lead this valued and trusted organization.

Here with me today are Janet Barrington, the director of quality assurance and risk management; Janet Labelle, director of inquiries and investigations; and Mr. Paul Morse, director of practices review.

My remarks today, Mr. Chairman, will focus on three areas covered in my report. I'll provide an overview of the office's mandate and its services. I'll provide a brief overview of the 2010-11 results achieved by the office. Then I'll give the committee a sense of where I plan on taking the office.

Let me begin with a brief overview of my office's mandate and the services we provide.

In 2006 the government enacted the Federal Accountability Act, providing, among other things, the appointment of a procurement ombudsman. The office was created through an amendment to the Department of Public Works and Government Services Act, and became fully operational in May 2008 with the coming into force of the procurement ombudsman regulations.

We have a government-wide mandate covering most departments and agencies. The three main exceptions to this government-wide mandate are the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the staff of the House of Commons and Senate, and crown corporations.

Our mandate, as set out in legislation, is to do the four following things: review any complaints respecting the award of a contract for the acquisition of goods below the value of $25,000 and services below the value of $100,000; review any complaint respecting the administration of a contract for the acquisition of material or services regardless of that dollar value; ensure that an alternative dispute resolution process is provided if both parties agree to participate; and review the practices of departments for acquiring material and services to assess their fairness, openness, and transparency.

In addition, I am required to perform any duty respecting the practices of departments for acquiring material and services assigned to me by the Minister of Public Works and Government Services or Governor in Council.

My position reports to the Minister of Public Works and Government Services. The office's enabling legislation requires that I submit an annual report to the minister, who in turn tables the report in Parliament.

The office has approximately 25 full-time positions, with a budget of roughly $4 million. Although the office receives its funding through a Public Works and Government Services appropriation, it is approved by the Treasury Board, and only the Treasury Board can alter this appropriation.

The office is independent and operates at arm's length from federal departments and agencies. I have full control over the execution of our mandate and our day-to-day operations.

Prior to the creation of the office, the procurement system was limited in providing a recourse mechanism for suppliers dealing with issues related to the award of low-dollar-value contracts and contract administration issues.

While suppliers with issues related to the award of large-dollar-value contracts could go to the Canadian International Trade Tribunal, suppliers with issues concerning low-dollar-value contracts or contract administration issues had three choices, none of them very practical. They could attempt to have the issues addressed by the department they were dealing with, they could simply accept the issue, or they could take legal action. In creating the office, the government addressed a need for these low-dollar-supplier contracts.

Let me now move to the results of the office for the 2010-11 fiscal year. Following the retirement of the inaugural ombudsman, the office was without an ombudsman for approximately six months. The regulations prohibit the office from launching new investigations and reviews without an ombudsman; however, the day-to-day business of the office continued.

Our inquiries and investigations team is our day-to-day interface with our stakeholders. The team responds to calls and e-mails from the supplier and procurement communities.

I regard this area as a critical aspect of my office. Accordingly, we have implemented a “service first” business model, ensuring that each contact with the office receives prompt, personalized, and seamless service. Our primary objective when dealing with suppliers is to address their concerns through dialogue and information sharing before the issue escalates into a lengthy or expensive dispute.

We are also mindful of our responsibility to provide service to Canadians, and we are diligent in ensuring that issues, even those that do not fall within our mandate, are brought to the attention of the appropriate office. In executing the office's mandate, we are careful to be neither a lobbyist for a supplier nor an apologist for the federal departments.

For the period covered by our annual report, the office was contacted 329 times. Of these contacts, 110 were actual procurement-related complaints. Of the 110 complaints received by my office, 81, or 74%, were with regard to the award of a contract. The issues being raised by suppliers in this area focused mainly on the clarity in the statements of work that define requirements, the level of restrictiveness in bid evaluation criteria, and fairness in the process of evaluating bids.

Twenty-three of the 110, or 21%, of the complaints received by my office had to do with the administration of contracts. In this category suppliers typically raised concerns about late payments and about departments verbally altering contract terms and conditions after the work had begun. The remaining six, or 5%, were direct requests for practice reviews or alternative dispute resolution.

The breakdown that I provided and the types of concerns that I've outlined are fairly consistent with what the office has heard in previous years. I should mention that all complaints that met the regulatory parameters of the office were actioned.

We released three investigative reports, two carried over from 2009-10 and one that originated in 2010-11. All three complaints that led to investigations concerned the award of contracts. The office also provides alternative dispute resolution services when they are requested and all parties to the contract agree to participate. The office provides an opportunity for the parties to come together in an unbiased setting to discuss their contractual dispute. Our objective here is for the parties to reach a mutually agreeable settlement.

In 2010-11 we received 10 ADR requests. Two did not meet the requirements under our regulations. Of the remaining eight, four were declined by the departments involved, when one of the departments was pursuing its own internal dispute resolution process. Three were successfully resolved by the office and one case that was ongoing has been resolved by the office since the tabling of the annual report.

The office also conducts reviews of practices of departments requiring material and services to assess their fairness, openness, and transparency. Our reviews follow a similar methodology as performance audits, using a systemic evidence-based approach. Last year we launched four procurement practice reviews. One of these reviews was recently published and the other three are in various stages of completion.

All of the office's practice review reports are made public and available on our website.

Last year we also published a risk-based study on directed contracts under $25,000. This study was initiated in part because of comments and concerns about these contracts raised to my predecessor by this committee.

Based on the office's work in 2010-11, we noted that while departments have made strides to assist the supplier community in doing business with government, calls received by my office from suppliers suggest that more can be done. Many calls received by the office are from suppliers who are unclear about how to do business with the federal government. Likewise, we are hearing from suppliers who are confused by the government's solicitation bidding process, who have difficulty understanding solicitation documents, or who are unclear on how to submit responsive proposals for inclusion in procurement vehicles such as standing offers and supply arrangements.

What appears to be frustrating suppliers is their difficulty in obtaining information or clarification from government procurement officials. A large number of cases that come to our attention involve concerns that could have been avoided through open and clear dialogue.

We have had some cases where suppliers have been reluctant to disclose the names of departments with which they have procurement concerns, for fear of being excluded from future business opportunities. I am doing some follow-up work on these cases and hope to have a better understanding of this issue in the coming weeks.

With respect to moving forward with the office, it is my view that evolving the office from the basic start-up mode, which it has been in, to optimum operation and delivery will be essential if the office is to realize its mission in promoting fairness, openness, and transparency in federal procurement.

Instrumental in our evolution will be the implementation of the office's recently completed strategic plan. The strategic plan clearly lays out that our work will be guided by three strategic drivers: to educate, to facilitate wherever possible, and to investigate when authorized to do so.

In addition, I have initiated other activities to better position the office. For example, it's my view that the office can only be effective if it is in tune with the community it was created to serve. Accordingly, we have developed and are in the process of executing a concerted outreach program.

Also, a formative evaluation of the office's first three years of operation is being initiated. This evaluation will provide information to better understand how well the office is executing its responsibilities and to make the necessary adjustments to the nature of our work and organization.

The overarching objective in undertaking this work is to structure and equip the office to meet the expectations and fulfill the mandate envisioned by parliamentarians when the office began operating in 2008.

Thank you for the invitation to speak to you today.

Thank you very much.

We welcome any questions the committee might have at this time.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Thank you, Mr. Brunetta, for that report.

Our first questioner will be from the official opposition, Alexandre Boulerice.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Good afternoon, Mr. Brunetta. I'd like to thank you for your presentation and for being here today.

First, I would like to understand the rationale and the arguments supporting the rule that says that you can only review contracts for goods below the value of $25,000 and contracts for services below the value of $100,000.

Why was this rule established? What vision or what rationale does it relate to?

3:40 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

Thank you for your question.

As I mentioned in my opening statement, prior to the creation of my office, the suppliers of large-dollar-value contracts had a venue for their complaints in the CITT. But the government recognized that there was a gap with regard to suppliers of low-dollar-value contracts. If you were a supplier to government providing goods for under $25,000 or services under $100,000, the CITT was not available to you.

As I mentioned, these individuals essentially had three choices: they could swallow hard and just accept the fact that there was an issue, they could try to take it up with the department they were dealing with, or they could take costly legal action. And for a small or medium-sized enterprise, legal action erodes the bottom line and is not very practical. So the office was created to fill that gap.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Thank you.

So are you able to do all the work you have to? You're reviewing 325,000 contracts a year, worth $20 billion. It's astonishing; it's absolutely enormous.

Based on your estimates and assessments, since you oversee all of that, what is the percentage of the contracts awarded to suppliers that are awarded after a call for tender? We think this is an interesting mechanism because it ensures the best product for the best price.

Is this a systematic practice for this type of contract for goods and services? Is it used in the majority of cases or in the minority of cases?

3:45 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

I will have to refer to my colleague Janet Barrington for the answer. Janet was the author of the under-$25,000 study. I don't have that number handy, but perhaps Janet, having done the study, would.

Janet, can you answer?

3:45 p.m.

Janet Barrington Principal, Quality Assurance and Risk Management, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Yes, and thank you for the question.

Roughly 90% or more of contracts per year are under the $25,000 threshold for competition. That number has been consistent over the last 10 years. In the review we conducted looking into directed contracts under $25,000, we found that in 2008 approximately 60% of those contracts--60% of the 90%--were not competed for.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

They were not.

3:45 p.m.

Principal, Quality Assurance and Risk Management, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Janet Barrington

They were not.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Do you think this practice should be encouraged to improve transparency and fairness among the various suppliers? Is there something that should be in place to promote this type of competition among suppliers?

3:45 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

I should say that the government contracting regulations require competition. The $25,000 threshold has been put in place because I believe it's considered to be a low-dollar value, and it's not always practical or economical to run a competition for low-dollar contracts.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Still, $20 billion is a lot of money.

Do you think that the rules of the $25,000 and $100,000 limit should be changed? Should the scope of your supervision be extended?

3:45 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understood. Are you talking about changing the mandate of the office or changing the limit?

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

The limit.

3:45 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

Quite frankly, having been in this office for nine months, it's premature for me to speculate on whether that limit should be changed. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest there's an issue. The volume seems to tell a story, but I don't have the evidence or the background to say it's an inappropriate limit.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Alexandre Boulerice NDP Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Thank you.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

The Chair NDP Pat Martin

Next we have Jacques Gourde for the Conservative Party, please.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would also like to thank the witnesses for being here and for the information they are providing.

I am pleased to point out that our government implemented the Federal Accountability Act to make the government transparent. We are also constantly looking for ways to improve it. In fact, it's our government that established the procurement ombudsman in 2006 to strengthen the confidence of Canadians in the procurement process, which binds the government to promoting fairness.

Mr. Brunetta, to what extend do you think the procurement ombudsman has contributed to improving the federal government's procurement process to make it more open, fair and transparent?

3:45 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

Thank you for your question.

As I just mentioned in my previous response, I think it's still early days for the office. The office has been in place for three years, so “to what extent” is difficult to gauge at this stage.

I will say that it is the first time that a dedicated body has been in place to look at the procurement issues. Prior to the creation of the office, there was no dedicated body looking at issues arising from the supplier community. There was the odd internal audit that may have looked at procurement, and the Auditor General occasionally touched on it, but there was no dedicated body such as this office looking at procurement. I think that has helped to strengthen confidence.

The office provides a unique service, in that it helps review complaints. It supplies ADR services for the system and it reviews practice reviews. So from that perspective I believe it provides some assurance that someone in the system is monitoring what's going on, and I think it's a step in the right direction in strengthening confidence. Whether we can gauge that at this early stage is doubtful.

On that note, as I mentioned in my opening remarks, I have initiated a formative evaluation of the office to see in what areas we could further improve what we're doing and how we do it to strengthen that confidence.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Mr. Brunetta, could you please draw a parallel between the 1990s and the situation since 2005, with respect to the improvements made to the procurement process?

3:50 p.m.

Procurement Ombudsman, Office of the Procurement Ombudsman

Frank Brunetta

I'd like to say that I'm too young to remember the 1990s--you tossed that one at me--but that's not true.

Yes, I think we've come a long way since the 1990s, especially in the area of transparency. I think the Internet has done wonders to open transparency. The measures that are now in place with proactive disclosure, the MERX postings, these are all very progressive steps.

I should mention that the office often hosts foreign delegations. These are very envious things that we're doing. We have foreign delegations that can't believe, when we take them through the web, that we can actually show people not only what contracts are being offered by federal departments, but also what contracts have been awarded. So I think, drawing a comparison from the 1990s, in transparency there's been a huge leap forward.

I believe the government has come a long way as well in making certain procurement vehicles available to make the process more efficient. For example, we now have mandatory standing offers and supply arrangements. These are efficiency tools that are in place that weren't in place in the 1990s. Again, the Office of the Procurement Ombudsman is a positive step that takes us forward from the 1990s.

I think there has been a lot of progress since the 1990s, definitely.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière, QC

Mr. Brunetta, before 2006, there was a really negative atmosphere in terms of awarding government contracts, which is why the government created the procurement ombudsman position. In all honesty, it was the sponsorship scandal that led to the creation of your office.

Since you have been in the position, has your office helped to strengthen the confidence of Canadians in the procurement process involving Canadian companies?