The city of Edmonton has one; the city of Toronto has one. I think the city of Toronto has $22 million; Edmonton's is small, $5 million. These kinds of revolving funds exist in New York. There are lots of examples of where they exist.
The beauty of it is that you create, say, half a billion dollar fund for federal buildings. It sits there and it's always regenerated and repaid from the departments doing the upgrades, so that fund will always sit there. That's a nice way to make things happen. The savings that are created from the upgrades are used to pay back that loan.
The cities of Edmonton and Toronto, and so forth.... It's interest free so those entities can go and get that money, and make the changes, pay it back, and then the next building owner comes along and accesses it as well. You've got to create some money to make those changes. We have a 4% fund that we use out here and you wouldn't believe the lineup from private sector that's coming forward to use that because we have the highest electricity rates in Canada.
So, yes, create a fund; make it happen. The Federation of Canadian Municipalities has half a billion dollars and it's sitting there to help municipalities do upgrades. The problem is that they created so much bureaucracy to get at that money, it sits there dormant, so get that money back from them and use that half a billion dollars.