Our system is a silo system. That's what we live in. What we tried to do is to create that horizontal view across ministries. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it's a struggle. With Shared Services Canada, it was a terribly blunt effort they had to take. It was tough. Really, it's hard work to do this stuff. Ministries are very solid organizations, as they have to be, and to try to drive horizontal lines can be difficult.
Yes, we're quite different.