Evidence of meeting #80 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Erin O'Gorman  President, Canada Border Services Agency
John Ossowski  As an Individual
Minh Doan  Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Duff Conacher  Co-founder, Democracy Watch
Franco Terrazzano  Federal Director, Canadian Taxpayers Federation

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

How would you define “well before”?

3:40 p.m.

Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat

Minh Doan

It was at least one year.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

How many years...?

3:40 p.m.

Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat

Minh Doan

To the best of my memory, it was at least one year.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Okay. Did you go through the substantive process?

3:40 p.m.

Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat

Minh Doan

I was in the middle of a competitive process with Treasury Board.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Okay.

Mr. Ossowski, I appreciate your coming here and attempting to clear your name.

Again, I will ask the question that was asked before by my colleague Michael Barrett.

Now that you have recollection, did you have any communication with GC Strategies?

3:40 p.m.

As an Individual

John Ossowski

I attended a meeting, as I described in my opening statement, with Botler AI, and Mr. Firth was in attendance at that same meeting.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Did you have any communication with Mr. Firth personally?

3:40 p.m.

As an Individual

John Ossowski

Absolutely not.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Okay.

Ms. O'Gorman, have you ever communicated with Mr. Firth?

3:40 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

I have not.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Have you ever communicated with GC Strategies?

3:40 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

I have not.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

When did you first find out about this RCMP investigation?

3:40 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

Well, I referred it to the RCMP through my—

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Why did you not refer it in 2021, or why was it not referred between the two of you—whoever would like to answer—in 2021, when Botler first came with their concerns?

3:45 p.m.

As an Individual

John Ossowski

There were no allegations raised to me before I retired on June 24, 2022.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Mr. Doan, do you still communicate with Mr. MacDonald?

3:45 p.m.

Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat

Minh Doan

No, I do not.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Okay.

How would you describe the communication that you had? There was a communication that indicates you were told.... It was communicated to Mr. MacDonald to let GC Strategies do their magic. Do you recall that communication?

3:45 p.m.

Chief Technology Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat

Minh Doan

I do not recall that communication.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Mr. Ossowski, do you recall that communication?

3:45 p.m.

As an Individual

John Ossowski

I'm sorry. Can you repeat the question?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Yes. It was a communication in which Mr. MacDonald was asked to step aside and let Mr. Firth at GC Strategies “do his magic”.