Thank you very much. I do appreciate all the really good information that was put in front of us here today.
One of the first challenges that I think we're going to have to grapple with, and that has already been identified by the committee, is this question of how we measure poverty so that we're all sort of singing from the same hymn book and trying to deal with the same issue. I think you've laid out how complicated an issue it is and how difficult it would probably be. But we're getting there.
There are, as you said, different approaches in different jurisdictions that work fairly well, but we in Canada have not.... Has there ever been a serious attempt at actually defining poverty, bringing forward a measurement that we could all sort of agree with?