Evidence of meeting #27 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was need.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Susan Crouse  MD, Salvus Clinic
Wendy MacDermott  Coordinator, Vibrant Communities Saint John
Monica Chaperlin  Coordinator, Business Community Anti-Poverty Initiative Inc.
Sue Rickards  Community Development, As an Individual
Bethany Thorne-Dykstra  President, Voice of Real Poverty Inc.
Donna Linton  Coordinator, Volunteer Centre of Charlotte County Inc.

3:50 p.m.

Community Development, As an Individual

Sue Rickards

Can I just warn against ACOA? Please, stay away from ACOA. We had the social economy bit with ACOA three, four, or five years ago, whatever. Don't go there. They didn't understand that there could be another kind of business with a double bottom line. They never got it.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

We're going to move to Mr. Lobb, the last questioner of the day.

You have five minutes.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

Susan, you mentioned, just briefly, cuts for mental health. I wonder if you could elaborate a little on that and the impact you've seen on your communities.

3:50 p.m.

MD, Salvus Clinic

Dr. Susan Crouse

We have had cuts through all aspects of the health care structure here in New Brunswick. They have impacted mental health such that just the basic services cannot be provided in a timely fashion. I think the present wait list for suicidal patients, urgent patients, is six weeks, unless you land at the hospital and are admitted under Form 1. It's a pretty bad situation here, but I think it's reflective of all the cuts to health care.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ben Lobb Conservative Huron—Bruce, ON

Yes, it's definitely an issue. My mother-in-law is a mental health nurse in rural Ontario, and I guess most of the issues get dealt with through there, whether it's addiction or depression. There's a definite situation and issue, I guess.

Our committee has heard time and time again about mental health and addiction, and we've also talked about the penal system in Canada. There's almost a parallel there with instances of mental health and addiction and those who are incarcerated.

Sue, if you'd indulge us with your 100 years of experience, I think you have one rant left in you, and I was hoping you could give the committee one last rant with the time remaining.

3:50 p.m.

Community Development, As an Individual

Sue Rickards

Well, pick a subject. I can rant on just about anything.

I think what you're seeing here is that we've all been at this for quite a while, and we all have ideas, but again, I would say, as Monica keeps mentioning, that there's the word “investment”. We have to get away from this line about how there's a social side and an economic side. No, no, no: it's a socio-economic spiral and they feed off each other. If you have some success in the economy, then your social issues are changed and move to another level, but then you can deal with those. It's all sort of like an iceberg. You keep digging down.

I really wasn't expecting to rant, so I don't know where to go with this. I think we need the federal guidance. We need the federal guidelines. We need the national policies that are going to say, “This is what Canada believes in, this is what Canada wants to do about poverty, this is how we should approach it, and this is how we view these people, because they are not writeoffs.” They are capable and strong, and if we give them the opportunities, we can make some progress. After we get to that point, we have to make sure these basic needs are addressed, but not as charity. We have to get away from the charity model because charity puts people down. It's only the giver who feels good in charity. We have to give opportunity, not charity. I guess that would be my last word.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Once again, I want to thank all the witnesses for being here today.

As we've said before, you guys are on the front lines. We appreciate the work you do and we appreciate the suggestions you've made to us today that we can take back for our report. Once again, thank you very much for your time this afternoon. We know you're all very busy people.

The meeting is adjourned.