Excuse me for interrupting. I only have seven minutes.
I wanted to bring up a fact that I think is important and that has not been mentioned. When I first started looking into the possibility of bringing this bill to Parliament, I looked at what was happening at the level of the provinces, in the provincial legislatures, because this bill does not touch Air Canada pilots only. In fact, it is aimed at all employees of crown corporations in Canada.
I looked at the employees of the equivalent of crown corporations at the provincial level, and what I found was that all provinces and territories, with no exceptions, actually had abolished mandatory retirement. New Brunswick, on the other hand, brought in a more flexible system, but it did abolish it as well.
I wanted to bring that bit of information. I think it's important.
My question is to Professor Kesselman. Professor, you have, I think, a wider view. I've read so much of what you've written, obviously. Would you tell us how other institutions reacted institutionally when the mandatory retirement element was withdrawn from their institutions? How did it work? Did it work out reasonably well? What sort of model can they offer to Air Canada and other crown corporations?