Evidence of meeting #36 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was care.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

  • Danielle Fréchette  Director, Health Policy and External Relations, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada
  • Robert Sutherland  President, Canadian Dental Association
  • Euan Swan  Manager, Dental Programs, Canadian Dental Association
  • Pat Vanderkooy  Manager, Public Affairs, Dietitians of Canada
  • Noura Hassan  President, Canadian Federation of Medical Students
  • Chloé Ward  Vice-President, Advocacy, Canadian Federation of Medical Students
  • Christine Nielsen  Executive Director, Canadian Society for Medical Laboratory Science
  • Marlene Wyatt  Director, Professional Affairs, Dietitians of Canada

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Ed Komarnicki

Thank you, Mr. Daniel. Your time is up, but go ahead to provide some concluding remarks.

4:10 p.m.

Director, Health Policy and External Relations, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada

Danielle Fréchette

Investing in infrastructure is definitely a very important solution, and you'll often find that if the physical resources are there, the people will follow.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Ed Komarnicki

All right.

Mr. Cuzner.

May 7th, 2012 / 4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Thank you, Chair, and to our witnesses today.

I think what you're getting at, then, Ms. Fréchette, is that there's an absence of a paying Canadian HR strategy in the health sector, so that the college advocates that one be undertaken and put in place.

I apologize about not knowing more about the observatory you referred to. Could you just take 30 seconds and enlighten the committee?

4:10 p.m.

Director, Health Policy and External Relations, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada

Danielle Fréchette

Absolutely.

Respecting provincial and territorial responsibility for its own workforce planning, the observatory could be a hub of research, where we could go to deposit our research, for example. It could also be the place where the various provinces, such as the advisory committee on health delivery and human resources, could go to and get comprehensive data. There would be full-time scientists that would actually be trying to connect the pieces.

I spend a lot of time looking at HR research in the country. We have really neat stuff going on, but nothing to pull it together, so this would become a national resource for the jurisdictions that are trying to make sense of this mess and would potentially better identify needs, better rationalize the production pipeline, including not just, in my case, of physicians, but the cross-impacts of new health professions coming upstream.

One of the next things I'll be looking at are scopes of practice. Within our own specialties...you have an orthopod working on a spine, you have a neurosurgeon working on a spine, but what is the need for spinal surgery in the country, and should my organization be changing its training requirements?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Good. I appreciate that.

Mr. Sutherland and Mr. Swan, the studies about skill shortages—I'll inform you that in the next short while you'll discover many skill shortages in your most recent hire.

He's a great young guy.

You're saying now that you're at the sweet spot now with the number of seats and the number of dentists that are being produced in this country. Has that come about over a period of time? Was there a shortage? Was there a strategy to address that? Were additional seats opened, or did it just come about naturally? Could you enlighten us on that?

4:10 p.m.

President, Canadian Dental Association

Dr. Robert Sutherland

Certainly, if you go back after the Second World War, there was—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Oh, it's that far back, though?

4:10 p.m.

President, Canadian Dental Association

Dr. Robert Sutherland

It would start.

The demands around the times that we live in would dictate the number of seats that are there. When I graduated, there were nearly 130 people in my class. There are about 90 people in graduating classes now.

The dentist to population ratio is, again, right on par with the OECD, so I think for that reason we're graduating the right numbers of people. Again, it's the distribution of those numbers.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Cape Breton—Canso, NS

You had identified that there were seven institutions out of the ten that are training dentists that have special programs that are allocating seats to first nations people. Is that an institution by institution decision, or is it driven by the provinces for those institutions? Where is the impetus for that coming?

4:15 p.m.

President, Canadian Dental Association

Dr. Robert Sutherland

The seats that are there are available for these groups of people; I wouldn't say they're all dedicated to any particular group. They're available and they would apply for those.

I would suspect that it would be—and I'll ask Dr. Swan—institution by institution.

4:15 p.m.

Manager, Dental Programs, Canadian Dental Association

Dr. Euan Swan

Yes, that's correct. Each faculty of dentistry and their associated university would develop policies regarding places for aboriginal and first nations people.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Cape Breton—Canso, NS

What would be an average application rate for dental training? How many applications get turned down, institution by institution? There's no problem with the application rate, I'm sure.

4:15 p.m.

President, Canadian Dental Association

Dr. Robert Sutherland

It's probably in the order of eight to ten applications per available seat.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Cape Breton—Canso, NS

What about the first nations seats, those you try to identify for first nations?