Evidence of meeting #65 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was youth.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Lambert Opula  Development Officer, Comité d'adaptation de la main-d'oeuvre pour personnes immigrantes (CAMO-PI)
John Grimshaw  Executive Secretary Treasurer, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - Construction Council of Ontario
James St. John  Business Manager, Director, Hammer Heads Program, Central Ontario Building Trades
Steve Martin  Business Manager, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - Local 353
Peter Reed  Business Representative, Field Representative, Hammer Heads, Central Ontario Building Trades

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Joe Daniel Conservative Don Valley East, ON

In terms of what the federal government can do to assist and to encourage young people to get into these trades, you mentioned that they already have some preconceived ideas of trades, but there are literally 70 or 80 or hundreds of different trades that they could go into for the Red Seal program. Do you find that they are picking just certain ones? Do they get the information? How can the federal government help in making sure they're well aware of what needs to be done?

11:35 a.m.

Development Officer, Comité d'adaptation de la main-d'oeuvre pour personnes immigrantes (CAMO-PI)

Lambert Opula

They are not aware of all the trades that exist. I said that the information was passed around settings that are far from the social reality of young immigrants. Young people are the potential clients for apprenticeships. We are talking about people who do not want to go to school or university to acquire knowledge or who do not have the ability to do so. In that context, they do not have enough information. The information needs to be channeled and directed to where those young people live to make sure we get them interested. The information needs to be directed to where their parents live to have an impact on their initial convictions.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you, Mr. Daniel.

We'll move to Monsieur Lapointe.

11:35 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

Thank you, Mr. Opula.

You have raised a number of refreshing and interesting points. I would like to examine the issue closely to make sure I understand correctly and we have all the details.

At the very beginning of your presentation, you said that there is challenge at a basic level. I noticed a sort of discrepancy based on your presentation. Many new immigrants are lacking basic skills because they come from a war zone. Perhaps their elementary school was burnt down and closed for eight years. You get the picture.

There is a problem with basic skills, but there is also the perception that, in order to succeed in life, you need to go to university. Do you see what I mean? There is a discrepancy between perception and reality.

Trades programs, which are sort of in the middle, could meet some needs. But from what I understand, the perception of trades that many immigrants have is rather negative. Yet if you come from a Canadian family form the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s or 1970s, we can all relate to those examples. One of my uncles was an electrician and he had a very nice retirement when he was 60. He was an electrician by training and, if I am not mistaken, he had two years of training. That's all.

You said that one of your suggestions is to target immigrant populations by tailoring and promoting the information about programs, and I think it is a great idea. But how do we do that? Do we translate everything in 22 languages? Do we need to explain my uncle's example to people from Mali: “Look, there was this family in 1950 and the father was an electrician. When he was 60, his house was paid off and he had a wonderful life”? We cannot wait 25 years to have a model that is easy to understand for people from Mali or Senegal who now live in Montreal.

How can we make this happen?

11:35 a.m.

Development Officer, Comité d'adaptation de la main-d'oeuvre pour personnes immigrantes (CAMO-PI)

Lambert Opula

We need to do something about the information. The information that we circulate on websites or through organizations such as ACCESS in Quebec, can only be seen by young people who have had a normal progression. When we talk about young people who have problems or who live in marginalized communities, having access to a computer is a privilege. They need guidance to know that they must consult this or that website to get the right information. That does not come easily to them.

As a result, this type of information needs to be channeled towards their communities. For instance, what area do they live in? What type of environment do they live in? Is it low-income housing? Instead of using websites, we must post information in the low-income housing units, in their neighbourhoods, in the places of worship of community organizations and in ethnocultural associations.

11:40 a.m.

NDP

François Lapointe NDP Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC

I understand.

You brought up another interesting idea. From what I understand, we are talking about opening the Red Seal program to trades in new technologies, which could be more appealing to the communities.

Could you provide us with more details about the trades? You could forward your suggestions to the clerk. I find it very interesting.

You have also raised another point and there are two other topics I would like to hear your comments on. We are noticing that trainers from ethnic communities are under-represented. It is a bit like the mystery of the chicken and the egg. Do you think that, despite the fact that we have not had a lot of success with trades among some immigrant groups and if we made an effort, there would be enough trainers from Africa, from Maghreb or other areas who could teach trades? The pool of candidates who can be recruited as trainers must be somewhat of limited.

In terms of integration, do you have any figures as to the integration challenges in rural areas? I have the numbers for some RCMs in my region where efforts have been made to recruit immigrants with trade training, but the retention rate is awfully low. An RCM attracted 12 immigrants living in Montreal to meet very specific needs in manufacturing jobs. Ten of them left the region within three years.

Do you have any figures and perhaps some possible solutions to share with us?

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you, Monsieur Lapointe.

We'll conclude with your response, Mr. Opula.

I know that there are a lot of questions to address in there, but a relatively short response would be appreciated.

11:40 a.m.

Development Officer, Comité d'adaptation de la main-d'oeuvre pour personnes immigrantes (CAMO-PI)

Lambert Opula

Let's talk about trainers first. Trainers themselves are a source of information. Their presence enables young people to learn something from them.

Around the world, we have seen that the attendance rate of immigrants goes up when people from other ethnocultural backgrounds are involved in trades. I feel this is one possible solution.

As to rural areas, I am not able to give you any exact numbers. However, I do know that the retention rate is very low, as you pointed out. The problem stems from the fact that, at the outset, when we started to regionalize immigration, we did not think to establish a link between the economic profiles of the regions, meaning the real needs of employers, and the profiles of the immigrants being recruited.

CAMO-PI is proposing to promote micromanagement instead. That means knowing the real needs and recruiting the appropriate people. The trend you have noticed is also a result of the so-called family class immigrants. Individuals recruited as part of efforts to bring families together have not been assessed and, sometimes, they do not have the necessary skills to meet the needs of a specific region. That is why there are gaps. In any event, it is important to know that we just have to deal with that.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you, Mr. Opula.

We'll now move to Mr. Shory.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Devinder Shory Conservative Calgary Northeast, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Opula. I like the passion you have toward your work.

I am also an immigrant, Mr. Opula, and I fully understand how important it is to have your previous qualifications recognized. At least there should be a clear path to move on, based on your previous experience and education.

Your organization, CAMO-PI, has established a program to facilitate recognition of trade certificates acquired outside Canada in 22 eligible trades. From your experience, is it a successful program? Do you get anywhere in Quebec with the recognition, or what are the obstacles? I want you to elaborate on all aspects of that program.

11:45 a.m.

Development Officer, Comité d'adaptation de la main-d'oeuvre pour personnes immigrantes (CAMO-PI)

Lambert Opula

Thank you.

CAMO-PI has launched a number of initiatives to facilitate the recognition of foreign credentials. We have conducted an experiment that led to an integration formula for nurses and registered nursing assistants. This formula was very successful, and is helping to solve the shortage of health care workers in Quebec.

We have also set up a supervision formula for engineers who graduated abroad. This formula was studied jointly with the Faculté Polytechnique of the University of Lubumbashi and AMPE-CITI. The objective was to offer courses to those engineers to increase their chances of passing the Ordre des ingénieurs exam. This project was a success in terms of support and help in passing the exam.

However, once their diplomas are recognized, they still have to put in a lot of effort before they find a job. In this case as well, I feel that we must launch an awareness campaign to help employers understand that, very soon, immigration will become indispensable in maintaining productivity at the same level.

We are working on other formulas. Specifically in Ontario, we have noticed that, when CAMO released its three formulas for engineers, nurses and registered nursing assistants, the province had not yet started to build bridges for those people. However, in the meantime, Ontario has developed 11 bridging programs, whereas we only have three.

In short, I think that it would be beneficial to encourage all the provinces and territories to enhance their support formulas for specific categories of professionals so that their qualifications are recognized.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Devinder Shory Conservative Calgary Northeast, AB

Thank you.

You also made a comment about increasing the Red Seal program in new areas. Could you give some examples of what you talked about? We've had the Red Seal program for ages, and it should come up in the emerging areas of industry as well. You were going to touch on that.

I also want to hear something about your hip-hop program.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

We'll conclude with those remarks, Mr. Opula, if you could. Go ahead.

11:45 a.m.

Development Officer, Comité d'adaptation de la main-d'oeuvre pour personnes immigrantes (CAMO-PI)

Lambert Opula

I mentioned the support offered to engineers and nurses, but there are also the liberal professions, including accounting, architecture, and so on. Those professions have been dealing with this problem for a very long time. Furthermore, for some time now, some sectors have grown tremendously in Canada, in particular the bio-food industry, biotechnology and aerospace. So we will need to think about extending trades mentorship to those new sectors. I feel that this approach will reflect the interests of young people who are looking in that direction without finding any opportunities.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you for that.

Mr. Cuzner, do you have a few comments or questions?

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

I'll ask two questions, and you can answer them in however much time you want to spend on each.

Some of the concerns that you've brought forward aren't dissimilar to challenges that Canadians across the country are experiencing, such as the attrition rate in apprenticeships because of having to go out and sustain a life and make more money to continue to provide for themselves and their families. That's something that we've heard from other witnesses who aren't necessarily new immigrants.

However, your challenges have another layer of challenge, and I appreciate the line of questioning that my colleague Monsieur Lapointe had put forward with regard to what specifically can be done to address those challenges.

There's a suggestion of training trainers so that there's a cultural sensitivity around the trainers. That idea makes a great deal of sense, but I'd like you to try to eke out.... Sometimes presenting the problems suggests a solution. Where do you see the federal role in that?

Then the other question is equally good. It was brought out yesterday, or the last day we had witnesses. The Canadian Association of Manufacturers and Exporters said that they're seeing true success in some of the bigger corporations—for example, Bombardier. They have good success with apprenticeships. Is your group actively engaged with those bigger organizations or corporations that seem to understand the importance of sustained training? Do you have an ongoing dialogue with some of those bigger corporations that do it well?

I'll let you answer. Thank you.

11:50 a.m.

Development Officer, Comité d'adaptation de la main-d'oeuvre pour personnes immigrantes (CAMO-PI)

Lambert Opula

Thank you.

I am going to first talk about how the federal government should contribute to finding a solution to those problems.

The federal government could encourage the provinces in their efforts. Perhaps programs could be linked. Instead of setting up programs under which the federal government offers grants to organizations so that they get involved, perhaps there is a way to set up a system so that those stakeholders can first go to the provinces for funding before they receive a complementary federal grant. Incidentally, this system is a way to solve the visibility problem that federal programs have and to add to public opinion the idea that the federal government is using a formula to solve specific problems. I think that the networking idea can be developed.

As you noticed, the idea of the Canadian Manufacturers' Association is real. Bombardier has made a great deal of effort in this area, but when we talk about this problem, we are not talking about the exceptional cases of large corporations. Unlike small and medium-sized businesses, big businesses do not have trouble finding skilled workers. They tend to work in a vacuum, whereas small and medium-sized businesses rely on the efforts of communities since they do not have the means to solve the problem.

That is why our proposals primarily pertain to the majority of employers, meaning small and medium-sized businesses. We are not forgetting what is happening in large corporations. But when they are faced with a problem, they have no qualms about finding solutions in Asia, Iran or elsewhere, and bringing foreign workers here. Small and medium-sized businesses cannot do that alone.

We feel that it is important to take steps to make it easier for employees to have access to small and medium-sized businesses and to find solutions to those problems.

Three years ago, I conducted a study on the recruitment process for skilled workers abroad. The study essentially focused on the aerospace sector.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you, Mr. Opula. We appreciate your presentation and your comments. We'll certainly take them into consideration.

I see that most of the people who are on our second panel have arrived.

I'll suspend for five minutes until we get set up. Thank you.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

I call the members back to the table.

I'd like to welcome, from the Central Ontario Building Trades, Mr. Reed and Mr. St. John.

From the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Mr. Martin will be here as well. I understand we'll have two presentations.

Mr. Grimshaw will start with his presentation. Then we'll hear from Mr. St. John. We'll then have some alternating questions and answers.

Please proceed relatively slowly, because the interpreters have to be able to interpret what you say.

With that, we'll have Mr. Grimshaw commence.

Noon

John Grimshaw Executive Secretary Treasurer, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - Construction Council of Ontario

Thank you for this opportunity to share our experience and our views on the important topic of apprenticeship. We welcome the standing committee's interest in this issue and look forward to the publication of your report.

My name is John Grimshaw. I am the executive secretary-treasurer of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Construction Council of Ontario. The members of the local unions that are affiliated to the council comprise approximately 14,000 journeypersons and apprentices in the electrician trade. The vast majority of the journeypersons hold a Red Seal certification that ensures the recognition of their trade qualification across Canada. We also represent approximately 750 line workers in the high-voltage line trade, and we also represent approximately 400 communications workers.

Let me first share with you our strategy for ensuring that virtually all apprentices in our union successfully complete their apprenticeship.

We estimate that the completion rate for our apprentices is around 90%. The province of Ontario is all I am speaking about; I'm not talking about the country. We understand that the completion rate for other apprentices is between 50% and 60%.

First of all, we need to understand the number one reason apprentices drop out: they are laid off by their employer and are unable to get a job with another contractor who wants to hire an apprentice at the same level of training as theirs. In our union, we have a system that overcomes this problem. Each of our 11 local unions operates, in full partnership with employers, a joint apprenticeship committee. This committee, not individual employers, formally sponsors each apprentice. The union can dispatch an apprentice to any of the more than 800 employers that have signed a collective agreement with our union. In this way, if an apprentice is laid off by one employer, he or she can be reassigned to another employer, provided, of course, that there is work to be done.

In the construction industry, this system of sponsorship by a joint committee is far superior to sponsorship by an individual employer. The joint committee system removes most of the risk that an apprenticeship will be interrupted by a long spell of unemployment. In addition to this, an apprentice can receive a traveller's card that allows him or her to obtain work in any of our union's locals anywhere in Canada. Many apprentices, as well as journeypersons, do this.

The second important point we need to understand is that most young workers do not enter an apprenticeship immediately after high school. In Ontario, the average age of an apprentice in the electrician trade, according to our college of trades, is 28. That means that there is often a considerable gap between the time when young workers finish high school and when they start their apprenticeship training. Some of the math and science skills learned in high school may have eroded, as well as some of the classroom learning skills. Those skills, however, are critically important in our trade. To be a competent electrician requires a solid foundation in trade math to understand the formulas that are central to a large portion of electrical work.

In our union we provide significant additional support to our apprentices. For example, in our Toronto local this support includes 13 weeks of compulsory Saturday school to cover key topics in the trade, so as to better prepare our apprentices to succeed when they go to trade school at a community college; an additional 34 hours of compulsory training on safe working procedures; and regular meetings between the apprentice and representatives from the joint committee to ensure that the apprentice is getting the support he or she needs and is also getting the practice experience he or she is supposed to get.

Most of our other locals—for example, my own Hamilton local—provide similar support to apprentices. This support is absolutely fundamental to achieving a high rate of successful completion. The absence of this support is another reason that the completion rate is so low in some segments of the electrical contracting industry.

In northwestern Ontario, our local union operates a special program for first nations young workers to bring their educational standards up to the level that is required for success in one of our apprenticeships. Over the last five years, our Thunder Bay local has graduated 30 young first nations workers from this program. They have gone on to be successful apprentices, and many have now completed their training. Without that initial support and then the ongoing support that all apprentices in our union receive, there is no way that many of these young first nations workers would have succeeded in their training.

The third point we need to understand about completion rates is that successful completion requires a joint investment: both the apprentice and the employer have to be committed to the successful completion the apprentice's training.

In the system that our union runs with our employers, that joint investment is a given. The joint committee selects, sponsors, and meets with the apprentices to ensure that they are taking both the courses that we require and also their trade school courses. The joint committee also meets with the apprentices to confirm that they are getting full exposure to all facets of the trade when they are on the job.

What is true for our union and our employers is not always true of other employers. There are many employers who see apprentices only as a source of low-cost labour. Those employers have no intention of hiring the apprentice when he or she completes training, and indeed they don't care whether he or she completes the training: as long as they have not completed their training, they are cheaper. Quite often those types of employers also make no effort to expose the apprentice to all facets of the trade. It is not surprising that so many apprentices drop out or fail their trade school examinations in that environment.

That brings me to federal programs to support apprenticeship.

Grants or tax subsidies to employers are a useful incentive. We support them. However, and this is a key point, those grants or subsidies should be back-end loaded: the employer should receive a grant or subsidy when the apprentice successfully completes different stages of the apprenticeship, and the amount of support should increase in the latter stages of the apprenticeship.

The current grant and subsidy programs give opportunistic employers an incentive to churn first- and second-year apprentices through their workforce without ever actually investing in their training or committing to support them through to completion. Economics still works. When you subsidize bad behaviour, you will get more of it, and that is precisely what is happening.

It is easy to fix: reconfigure the support you give to employers so that they receive increasing amounts of support as the apprentice completes each stage of his or her training.

The fourth point I want to make pertains to changes in policy that have had a negative effect. There are two that are relevant.

The first goes back to the mid-1990s. Historically, when apprentices left their jobs to go to trade school for eight weeks, they received eight weeks of EI benefits. As you know, that was changed so that apprentices, like any other unemployed worker, had a two-week waiting period before EI benefits commenced, so instead of receiving eight weeks of EI wage replacement benefits, they now receive only six weeks. I want to urge you to take a look at this issue again. Young workers do not save their money. The prospect of going for two weeks without any income is inevitably a deterrent to some young workers and discourages them from going to trade school. As a result, they abandon their apprenticeship training, and the subsidy that was paid to the employer is completely wasted.

The second policy change—I realize it is not a federal responsibility—is that in Ontario, the provincial government allowed the colleges to impose a tuition charge on apprentices. At present, that fee is $400 for each eight-week session of trade school. The combined effect of eliminating two weeks of EI benefits and adding a tuition charge has been to significantly increase the cost of training that must be borne by an apprentice. Again, I think economics still works. When you raise the price of something, you will get less of it. When you raise the price of going to trade school, you will inevitably get fewer apprentices completing their training.

You have to acknowledge that there is a tension, if not a contradiction, between our aspirations and our policies. On the one hand, we are all anxious about the large number of apprentices who do not complete their training. On the other hand, the subsidies to employers encourage employers to churn first- and second-year apprentices through their workforce but give employers no incentive to invest in the apprentice's successful completion of his or her training. At the same time, joint committees that invest substantial resources in supporting apprentices receive little or no support for their work. Then, to compound the problem, other changes in policy have significantly raised the cost to an apprentice of completing his or her training.

We need more consistency between our aspirations and our policies. We sincerely hope that you will address this problem.

Thanks again. If you have any questions, I would be pleased to provide you with answers.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you very much for that presentation.

We will move to Mr. St. John. Go ahead.

12:10 p.m.

James St. John Business Manager, Director, Hammer Heads Program, Central Ontario Building Trades

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be with the committee today.

My name is James St. John. I'm the business manager of the Central Ontario Building Trades, as well as the director of Hammer Heads. Along with me today is Peter Reed, one of the business agents of the Central Ontario Building Trades and also the field representative of Hammer Heads. We have one of our affiliate managers, Steve Martin, here also; he is the business manager of the IBEW Local 353.

The Central Ontario Building Trades represents 80,000 men and women working in construction. We developed a program called Hammer Heads in order to interact with the youth in the GTA. We're located in Toronto, essentially the GTA. The geographical area that we cover is essentially from Trenton to Oakville to Parry Sound, so it's a very large area representing, as I said earlier, 80,000 men and women in construction.

We have 26 trade union locals that give us access to state-of-the-art training centres where we're able to engage our local youth. That was one of the key focuses from our program, started by the Youth Challenge Fund. The Youth Challenge Fund put $51 million into how we could engage youth in a meaningful way to have them start with careers, not necessarily temporary jobs. Out of that, Hammer Heads was first developed.

We're not here looking for any money from the government, which is rare from a lot of the presenters that I'm sure come and sit where we're sitting. We're not looking for money today. One thing we are looking for is help from the government.

I had a meeting this morning on the Hill before I came here. I noticed all the construction. I wondered whether there were any apprenticeship opportunities with the contractor that is doing all that work. I'm not sure if this committee has that answer or not, but I think it's an imperative question. We want to see the government tie infrastructure dollars to apprenticeship opportunities for the youth of our communities. In doing that, there is no cost to the government whatsoever. The cost is really zero to the employers, who are going to need workers to build the renovations or the new buildings that you're constructing through infrastructure dollars. We've created a program whereby we could provide the training and the mentorship for these youth to be engaged fully when completing our program.

The earlier speaker talked about retention and how to engage youth. The youth that we've engaged from our program live in Toronto in 13 priority neighbourhoods. I think we have a lot more troubled neighbourhoods, but for whatever reason, we have only the so-called 13. Our program was initially targeted to engage the youth in these priority neighbourhoods, and we've since expanded it to the under-resourced neighbourhoods of our communities.

We're getting youth who have probably been engaged in gangs, who have not necessarily completed high school, and who have had some difficulties and troubles throughout their lives. We've been successfully engaging this youth and turning their lives around.

One of the goals of Hammer Heads was to make an immediate impact. A lot of the youth that we're targeting had previously been recipients of Ontario Works. In the short duration that our program has been in existence—it's coming up to almost three years now—we've engaged 21 youth from Ontario Works and put them to work as apprentices in our field of construction, thus resulting in savings of $184,000. Again, there's no cost to the government, yet we've lightened the load of youth who were previously receiving Ontario Works and we have now created taxpaying citizens out of these youth.

We think this model can be duplicated again and again. Obviously we're out of Toronto and the GTA, but a program similar to ours can go across Canada. There's definitely a shortage of youth linking to skilled jobs through apprenticeship. The end gain needs to be ensuring that when we're spending infrastructure dollars, those dollars are being linked to create apprenticeship opportunities for our youth.

We engage 45 youth a year in our 12- to 14-week program. We run it as a boot camp. The youth that we're working with have not been model students and have not necessarily been model citizens, so we run our program very militantly.

A day in the life of our program goes like this: the youth are probably up at 5:00 a.m.; they take public transport to two locations—they need to make their own way to our buses—where we pick them up and drive them to our training centres. They spend the full day learning green technology, getting hands-on training at our state-of-the-art training centres and getting to touch and feel what each of the trades is. We represent 26 different locals that all offer a different trade, a different ability to learn a career. Instead of just telling the youth what they're going to be, we get them in there. They get to touch it, they get to feel it, and then they get assessed by the professionals, by the trade instructors.

The unions collectively invest $20 million to $60 million in training in different parts of Canada. We have state-of-the-art training centres where we train our members. There's no reason why we can't train some of these at-risk youth so they have a meaningful career. Hammer Heads, being in building trades, is able to go through all the various training centres so we can find the right fit for an individual who maybe didn't understand the job of an electrician, or a plumber, or an insulator, or an ironworker, or a rod worker, or a worker in marble and tile, or a labourer. We put them in those environments so they're doing it real time and understanding what a life would be like in that particular trade. We think that's the best way to assess the youth. Not every youth will gravitate to a particular trade, so letting them try the abundance of different trades we represent is very key to what we do.

We also track the youth very carefully. In a short time, we've had 107 participants and 98 graduates. The thing we're most impressed with and most proud of is that after completing our program, five of our youth decided to return to post-secondary education. These are some of the youth from some challenging areas who dropped out of school, and once they got focus and direction, we engaged them to go back to school.

From our 98 graduates, we started 91 apprenticeships. That's 91 youths whose lives we've changed. Retention is key. As John alluded to, to start an apprenticeship is great, but we want to ensure they're finishing their apprenticeship, so in our program we track the youth for their first year with us. We take them to work the first day to introduce them to the employers; then we monitor them at the end of each of the first four weeks, and then monthly after that for the first year, thereby ensuring they are being properly integrated into the system.

We offer a variety of ways to interact with our employers, but dealing with the youth we're dealing with is a challenge. When we first started the program, we specifically dealt with the African diaspora youth. That was our target group, and it still remains our focus. We've expanded that to include aboriginals; we've put seven aboriginals through our program, and they've been very successful. We were able to obtain two GEDs and one grade 12 because education, we believe, as John also alluded to, is a huge part of what we do.

As I mentioned earlier, a day in the life of a Hammer Head in our program goes like this: they're up at 5:00 a.m., they catch a bus to go to the training centre at 6:30, they get there at 7:30, they train all day, and they leave the training centre at four o'clock. Two nights a week we bus them to Frontier College, where they're doing educational upgrading, because a lot of our trades have minimum requirements. An electrician is a prime example: you need grade 12 math, grade 12 English, and grade 12 physics. A lot of the youth we're dealing with obviously don't have these credits, so we work with the youth while they're with our program to ensure that we're upgrading their math and physics to meet the minimum requirements to gain entry into those trades. We think it's going quite well.

We can expand upon that with your help. We need to ensure that we tie infrastructure dollars to apprenticeships. We have the ability to train these youth, but after they complete our program, we need to lengthen the jobs. We change their way of life, but it's imperative that after our 12 weeks and as we're going through when they graduate, we need to link them immediately to an employment opportunity so that we can keep building on the momentum of changing their lives.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you for that presentation. Certainly I see your enthusiasm in what you do, and you certainly invest a lot in each individual. You work with one student at a time. We hear what you're saying, and you had some great comments.

We'll move on to Ms. Charlton. Go ahead, please.

February 7th, 2013 / 12:20 p.m.

NDP

Chris Charlton NDP Hamilton Mountain, ON

Thank you very much.

Mr. Chair, can you tell me how much time I have?

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

You have five minutes.