Evidence of meeting #70 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was deaf.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Cudmore  Executive Director, Prince Edward Island, Canadian Paraplegic Association
James Roots  President, Canadian Association of the Deaf
Robert White  Executive Director, Spinal Cord Injury Canada
Jean Beckett  President, National Network for Mental Health
Diane Bergeron  National Director, Government Relations and Advocacy, Canadian National Institute for the Blind
Julie Flatt  Interim National Executive Director, National Network for Mental Health

1 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

At any rate, they're both great comments.

I'd like to get back to “job, home, friend”. It's not a simple problem, because it's all interrelated. The aspect of affordable housing for persons with disabilities is critical. I'm sure that anybody who will address the committee here will reiterate that.

I want you to comment on this. Persons who live with mental health issues disproportionately represent Canadians living in poverty in this country. Disproportionately they represent those housed in jails across this country. If we don't do our utmost as a country and as a people to understand and accommodate, then the way the challenge is manifest is that we find people on the streets. We find them incarcerated. Inevitably the problem costs us far more.

Could I just get your comments on that? Diane and Christine might also want to comment.

1 p.m.

President, National Network for Mental Health

Jean Beckett

You've hit me right where I was hoping you might.

There's something that many of you may be familiar with—the physician at the end probably is—and that's Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Maslow was a social worker who identified what people need to live and to be happy and healthy. He set it up as a pyramid. The things we need the most are on the bottom. They're the basic foundation. The things we need the least are on the top. At the bottom two or three—I'm trying to picture it in my mind right now—are safety and security. If you don't feel safe and secure, you cannot be mentally well.

So you're right about the poverty. Unless we address poverty, people are just going to get sicker and sicker. As long as we live in poverty, that fights against mental health: it makes us ill. You're right that we need to address poverty and that we need to address housing issues.

One of the problems in housing issues for people with mental health issues, though, is that sometimes our symptoms are not very pleasant. Sometimes people are having a lot of symptoms, either of their illness or of their medications, and they might not be really good neighbours. We struggle with those issues all the time.

We need to address poverty to begin with, and you can't address poverty if you're...especially with the episodic things. I heard mention of episodic disabilities earlier. We call it “episodic employment”, because that's all you get. I just finished a contract. I worked 18 hours over 14 weeks. That was a contract I got—a paying contract. How can you live on that?

As well, you're constantly having to fight with your income security program, because if you made 3¢, they want to know about it. I don't know what it is in other programs in other provinces, but in Ontario, with ODSP, at any given time they reserve the right to call you up and say, “Be here tomorrow, and bring your paperwork. We want to look at it.”

That would put me in the hospital.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

They'll come visit you now and the federal government will come visit you now.

1 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

1 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Mr. Chair, can I ask one last question?

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

You can.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

This is off the topic completely, but I want to ask you, does Silver Linings Playbook do a service to persons living with mental health issues?

1:05 p.m.

Interim National Executive Director, National Network for Mental Health

Julie Flatt

Bipolar?

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Rodger Cuzner Liberal Cape Breton—Canso, NS

Yes.

1:05 p.m.

President, National Network for Mental Health

Jean Beckett

I haven't seen it yet, but I've seen some clips. I also saw a talk show where they had the stars and the producer together. I'm very hopeful that it's very good. I think it is.

There are others that are very bad. There's a series out, which I saw not too long ago, called Do No Harm. It was about a physician who supposedly had a multiple personality. But it was nothing like multiple personality: it was a Jekyll and Hyde. Every night he turned into this party animal. That has nothing to do with mental health issues.

I saw a preview the other day for another one, called Cracked. It's supposed to be about a hockey player who has some sort of mental breakdown. In the preview I saw, it shows him skating when all of a sudden his face changes and he gets this scary look like, “Oh, oh, here he comes now.” That is so unreal, and it is so wrong that we are portrayed like that, because people believe it.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Komarnicki

Thank you for those comments. We'll leave it at that.

Thank you very much for coming.

With that, we'll adjourn.