Evidence of meeting #10 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Judy Whiteduck  Director of Economic Development, Assembly of First Nations
Cheryl McDonald  Director, Support Services, First Nations Human Resources Development Commission of Quebec
Dawn Madahbee  Vice-Chair, National Aboriginal Economic Development Board
Roberta Jamieson  President and Chief Executive Officer, Indspire
Marlene Rice  Executive Director, Coast Salish Employment and Training Society
Bruce Underwood  Chief, Program Employability Officer, Coast Salish Employment and Training Society
Marileen Bartlett  Executive Director, Centre for Aboriginal Human Resource Development Inc.

9:35 a.m.

Vice-Chair, National Aboriginal Economic Development Board

Dawn Madahbee

Yes, I'm coming right to the end here.

They could implement their strategic plans and clients currently enrolled in skills training would be assured of completing their training and of obtaining their certification.

The national board believes that economic development is the foundation upon which a fair and sustainable partnership between Canada and aboriginal people can be built. Addressing the barriers to economic development that aboriginal people face is not just good for our people; it is good for everyone in Canada. Across the country aboriginal individuals, businesses, and communities are driving regional economies, creating jobs, and generating wealth for all Canadians. As the Canadian economy faces anticipated labour and skills shortages in the coming years, we cannot pass on the opportunity to tap into the pool of young aboriginal people who are eager to work.

Efforts to increase aboriginal education outcomes and to increase aboriginal skills training to ensure aboriginal people have access to and can retain good jobs are important. A decent job that provides real opportunity and sustainability for families is the best social program.

I would like to reiterate that the national board recommends that education funding levels be increased to a per capita level similar to that provided to non-aboriginal Canadians and that the 2% funding cap on first nations education be reviewed.

Finally, we also recommend that the ASETS program be renewed with increased, long-term, sustainable funding. With this type of support, Canada’s economy has a better chance of moving forward as a whole.

Meegwetch.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Thank you very much.

Committee members, before we go to questions I just want to point out that we are really stretched today in terms of time, all except the first part, because we started about three minutes behind schedule. The second thing that happened here was the discussion previously. I'm going to ask if there is any willingness here, on consensus, to extend our meeting time today by approximately 10 to 15 minutes. Possibly, 15 minutes would put us in a position where we could show great respect to our witnesses, to give them the time they need to present, and also respect for our fellow colleagues at the table.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Armstrong Conservative Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley, NS

We have guys who have to go.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Okay, I'm just putting it out there.

Madam Sims, go ahead for five minutes, please.

9:35 a.m.

Conservative

Scott Armstrong Conservative Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley, NS

I apologize, Mr. Chair.

9:35 a.m.

NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

Thank you very much.

I want thank all the witnesses here for their testimony.

Having been a teacher for a great number of years, for most of my life, I'm really hit by many of the points you have made. I've never bought into the argument for equality; I've always been the one to argue for equity. I think all of you put forward a very good case for equity. There is a need, on the part of governments, to make major investments so we don't have the kinds of results and statistics that you have pointed out.

I come from the beautiful province of British Columbia, in the education system, and all I can tell you is that after having been out of the education system for 10 years, out of the classroom, when I went back after 10 years what really upset me was that the learning conditions were worse for the students and they should have been a lot better. I'm talking specifically about our first nations students and also talking about other students who have extraordinary needs or additional needs in order to be successful in the system.

My first question is to Dawn.

Dawn, in terms of defining long-term funding, is your recommendation simply ongoing or did you mean more than that? Are you looking at five years or ten years or what was your...?

9:40 a.m.

Vice-Chair, National Aboriginal Economic Development Board

Dawn Madahbee

I know it's always difficult to have a program that has a limited mandate, but when you look at the types of services that this programming is involved in, for things like, for example, the Ring of Fire, that have a five-year program renewal, the construction and all of the preparatory work and the training haven't even begun yet. This is a program that would be necessary for a longer term, so our recommendation basically looks at providing a longer mandate to this program.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

Can you tell me from your experience, Dawn, what impact would funding delays have on delivery of programs? What might reduce or minimize those types of delays?

In other words, how can the government work to make sure that the funding flows smoothly, so we don't have this sort of jerky progress that we need when we're delivering services?

9:40 a.m.

Vice-Chair, National Aboriginal Economic Development Board

Dawn Madahbee

I think in every renewal it takes some time to review it and to make sure that outcomes are being met in evaluating a program. Maybe an ongoing evaluation throughout the life of a program would tell you what results are being achieved and could help, so that you're not waiting at the last minute before approval or renewing a program.

In this case—the impact as I mentioned here—people are worried that there are only a few months left before the renewal is due, and what do they do? How do the people, who are currently delivering the programs, approve a program now that takes us into 2015?

They can't make decisions. It limits that. If you look at a program where there are apprenticeships in the trades right now, you can't approve anything beyond a few months.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

I appreciate that.

My next question is for all of you, so I'm hoping all of you will get a chance to give me brief answers. What kinds of challenges do you face in engaging youth and women in the workforce, and participating in the ASETS programs?

Go ahead, Cheryl.

9:40 a.m.

Director, Support Services, First Nations Human Resources Development Commission of Quebec

Cheryl McDonald

I think one of the biggest challenges that we face, and what I convey to our partners whether it's a trading institution or services, is that youth don't trust.

Since 1990 the image that they are seeing and striving toward is not to trust Canada and not to trust anyone other than our own people. I think there's a power in what the first nations technicians like myself are seeing. That's where we have to help our youth.

We opened up adult regional centres in Quebec and they're going there to get their high school diploma. These are adult learners who have been failed by the external systems. They're coming back, they're single parents, they have social problems. The teachers who are first nations are seeing them come to class every day because for the first time they feel like they belong in that environment, that they're being exposed to language and cultural courses on top of the requirements that they need to get their secondary 5.

I tell people that the key here is that they want to hear and trust their own people before we bring them to our partners, and hand them off and work with them.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

Thank you.

Judy.

9:40 a.m.

Director of Economic Development, Assembly of First Nations

Judy Whiteduck

Thank you for that question. I absolutely support Ms. Madahbee's and Ms. McDonald's comments in terms of responses.

I would just add that in terms of women as a demographic and part of the workforce, the ability to participate in the workforce often points to the need for child care capacities. Women are a very important part of the first nations workforce, whether it be in the public or private sectors. Just as an example here today, we're three women presenting on this subject. I just wanted to underline and emphasize the points that my colleagues made.

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

Good gender equity when you look around the table.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Your time is up, Ms. Sims.

I'm going to stop the first group of witnesses there and thank you on behalf of the committee for coming today. This is an important study and we appreciate your input.

We'll suspend while we change panels.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

This is the second half of our meeting today on our study.

I would like to welcome as witnesses Chief Roberta Jamieson, the president and chief executive officer of Indspire; as well as from the Coast Salish Employment and Training Society, Ms. Marlene Rice, executive director, and Chief Bruce Underwood, program employability officer; and joining us by video conference from the Centre for Aboriginal Human Resource Development in Winnipeg is executive director Ms. Marileen Bartlett.

As I said, we are pressed for time today and I know we've suggested you have ten minutes and you can take the ten minutes if you like, but I would appreciate it if you reduce your remarks to the seven-minute range to the extent that you can.

So, why don't we start with you, Chief Jamieson?

9:45 a.m.

Chief Roberta Jamieson President and Chief Executive Officer, Indspire

Thank you. Good morning.

I will do my very best.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Thank you.

9:45 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Indspire

Chief Roberta Jamieson

First let me acknowledge we're in the traditional territory of the Algonquin Nation, and it's my obligation to greet them and thank them. Sekoh. Skano. Good morning all of you. Bonjour.

My name's Roberta Jamieson, president and CEO of Indspire, formerly called the National Aboriginal Achievement Foundation.

You're studying something that is very critical to Canada, and a field in which Indspire has been involved for several decades. I think we have important insights, and I'm pleased to offer them.

We're a national charity supporting the educational achievement of first nations, Inuit, and Métis youth in Canada. Since 1985 we have pursued our vision of enriching Canada by advancing indigenous achievement primarily through educational programs. Just to give you an example of scale, we're the largest funder of indigenous post-secondary education in the country outside of the Government of Canada, so that means about $54 million thus far in 16,000 bursaries and scholarships, much of that funded by government and private sector, lots of corporate partners, and individual donors.

Over the last six years alone we have supported 3,000 students to pursue health careers. That's grown from 247 in 2007 to over 600 last year, a tremendous growth. There were 560 students in business, 700 in education, we have to have a few lawyers as I am one, 550 in legal studies, 620 in sciences, and I could go on. There were 400 in technical careers, and we need more there. I'm very excited that in that list there are 300 pursuing their Ph.D.s. That tells me there's both a need for assistance and also that academic excellence is clearly on the rise. So we're very pleased with the support we've provided to date.

Last spring I was delighted that the 2013 budget contained a commitment of $10 million in new dollars for Indspire on the condition we go out and match it, and we're working hard at that. The first year goal was $5 million, and we're over $3 million so we're almost there. Cheer us on and write a cheque and we'll get there really fast.

We've had great success, but we have a lot of challenges as well. Year after year the gap's growing, right? The gap is absolutely growing between the need and what's available for indigenous students. Last year we awarded $5.2 million to 2,000 students. That was only 18% of what they needed. In short, there is a much greater need than what we can offer.

We also deliver a number of other programs designed to prepare indigenous students for success. We know financial support is essential, but there are other supports as well. We are working hard through a very new initiative called the Indspire Institute to improve K-to-12 completion rates because if we can't get out of high school, we're simply not going to get into the workforce or on to post-secondary. The Institute is simply an online community where students, educators, parents, and leaders, and our partners can meet virtually and share their knowledge and experience. We have about 1,500 members thus far, and it was just launched last spring.

We also host highly popular Soaring career conferences, motivational sessions for students in high school, industry in the classroom curriculum modules, showing our students what's possible if they stay in school in mining, journalism, oil and gas, and so on, and realizing projects working with communities directly.

I was going to start to quote to you a number of statistics as to why it's important we do what we do, but I think you know the statistics, and they have been quoted to you this morning as well. The fact is, the numbers don't paint a healthy picture for our youth, our communities, or the country.

I've been around a long time—as your chair will know—as a chief, as a mediator, and in many capacities. I could have quoted these statistics to you years ago. They are not changing very rapidly. This is a national embarrassment. I think we have to face up to it and take some action.

Now let me talk to you specifically about the recommendations. Timely action is critical. Unless we get at the fundamental reasons for the underachievement from kindergarten and up, there will not be much change in the participation of indigenous people in the workforce. It's that simple to me. We have to make sure there are committed funds to support change. We have to make sure we're empowering indigenous people to address the critical issues we face. We have to ensure there are real and meaningful ways to connect those goals. I have a number of recommendations.

First, supports to assist indigenous people have to be distinct from programs and services that seek to assist other groups. We simply are not the one-size-fits-all candidates, frankly. We are different. Our people are different. We're in a different place in the country. Many of our students are older. I can tell you from our own experience that mostly women are accessing our bursaries. A 27-year-old indigenous woman is our usual candidate. They're often the first in their family to pursue education, and are often single moms with great need and great determination. We need focused investment on developing supports that recognize the unique needs of indigenous learners: mentoring, internships, on-the-job training.

Second, programs that are solely focused on skills training do little when one considers that many indigenous people are not prepared to enter these programs. We need support for youth and adults in basic literacy and numeracy. In our oil and gas trades and technology bursary and scholarship program, which we created completely with private sector support of five companies based in Alberta, we found that 70% of the students we supported in a three-year period were enrolled in pre-trades training. They were not ready for the trades; that's why.

We can't simply say “There's resource development here, and there are jobs, so you all come”, because our people simply are not prepared to even get into trades training or apprenticeships. So support for that is critical.

Third, to repeat what I said in 2010 to the Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples, Parliament should pass legislation stating that every first nations child on reserve should have access to an equitable education that is funded at the same level as their non-indigenous neighbours. That currently is simply not the case. It's a sensitive topic. I get it. I don't want to engage in political debate. But equitable funding on reserve must be a priority. The moneys must be found now. Having been around a long time, I would urge that we not fall prey to arguing about whether it's a provincial responsibility or a federal responsibility. I simply think we need a pool. Let's all contribute. Let's invest, and then decide later the question of who is ultimately responsible, because we'll not solve that in my lifetime.

I also know there's a big debate going on with regard to the first nations education act. I'm not entering that debate either. What I propose is something different: pass an act that calls for equitable funding—equality—and I believe you will find widespread support throughout the country.

Fourth, at Indspire we recognize that success between kindergarten and grade 12 is key to success later in a student's life. We take the success of indigenous students very seriously. That's why we created the indigenous Indspire Institute, with peer support and coaching, webinars, blogs, connecting educators, and sharing successful practices.

I won't go on but will simply encourage you to have a look at those things. There are, frankly, some successes. They're shining lights. We need to expose them, celebrate them, and support the growth of more.

Fifth, when developing workforce access programs for Canada's indigenous peoples, partnership between the federal government, industry, and organizations such as Indspire must be supported. We have a successful track record, with nearly 40% of our funding coming from the private sector. We've earned that credibility, we've worked hard for it, and we value it.

Industry, quite frankly, is willing to be a part of the solution. We think that encouraging indigenous participation in the workforce is a wonderful cause for all professional organizations, associations, and the corporate sector to demonstrate social responsibility and to participate in building a better Canada in a very real and practical way. That's meaningful philanthropy. But it needs federal leadership as well.

For the modules that we take into classrooms showing our people in mining sectors, we've had corporate partners such as Vale step up to fund them. We have Shell, we have Astral Media, we have the banks, and there are many more willing to work in partnership with our people.

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Roberta, can I ask you to wrap up, please?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Indspire

Chief Roberta Jamieson

Your timing is very good, because I'm at the end.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Okay, thanks.

10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Indspire

Chief Roberta Jamieson

Our recommendations don't come without recognition of the work of the Government of Canada towards supporting indigenous success. You've heard about ASETS; I applaud that. You've heard about the strategic partnerships fund through which we receive support; I applaud that. And I applaud the aboriginal peoples program through Heritage Canada. These are welcome initiatives and should continue.

So also should the commitment of this committee to seek out advice on how to support indigenous success in the workforce. Please know that your work is timely. It is time to look at this issue not as a problem but as an opportunity to invest in success, an opportunity to grow real-life indigenous youth who are ready success stories, like the young men and women we have supported who are now returning to their communities to work in the trades, or as doctors, or as nurses, or as lawyers. They're remarkable examples; they tell me that with proper supports our indigenous youth are capable of anything they set their minds to.

Be bold in your work. Don't focus on the historical inequities alone that are faced by indigenous peoples; we know what they are. Instead, envision a Canada that includes the full and equal participation of first nations, Inuit, and Métis people in our workforce. Put results first. Avoid the politics. But most of all, believe that this can be done. I know it can.

Niawen gowa for listening to my words. I'm delighted to answer any questions you may have.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Thank you.

We'll go on to Ms. Rice.

I'm not sure whether you're sharing your time with Mr. Underwood, but you have up to 10 minutes.

10:05 a.m.

Marlene Rice Executive Director, Coast Salish Employment and Training Society

Thank you.

Thank you for the opportunity, Mr. Chair and the committee, for allowing us to provide a presentation to you regarding Coast Salish Employment and Training Society and any other ASETS agreement holder.

I will hand this over to Chief Bruce Underwood. We've been colleagues for the last 14 years now with the Coast Salish Employment and Training Society. I will hand it over to the chief.

Huy ch q'u.