Evidence of meeting #41 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mona Frendo  Director, Patent and Trade-mark Policy Directorate, Department of Industry
Colette Downie  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Mike MacPherson  Procedural Clerk
Rob Sutherland-Brown  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Justice Canada, Department of Industry

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

That's correct.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

So we could conceivably meet on Monday afternoon after question period.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Well, certainly, it depends on the timing of when other members can either make it or be subbed in.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Certainly I'd be willing to meet after question period in the afternoon on Monday.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

I have one point of clarification, and then I'll go to Mr. Van Kesteren.

If we don't hit routine proceedings, then we'll need unanimous consent in the House to be able to report it in, so it would have to be by the time of routine proceedings on Monday, to be certain.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

That's the first thing in the morning, is it not?

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Yes, it is.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

So in other words, we can't?

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

I'm informed that it's the first thing at 11 on Monday morning.

Mr. Van Kesteren.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON

Mr. Chair, what are we trying to prove? I think it's obvious that even if we spent a week on this bill.... There are just so many problems with this bill. I think Mr. Lake made the point well.

The reason we have officials from the different departments.... They have an army of lawyers who prepare these things and obviously the bill is flawed. We can try to placate and we can try to make ourselves look better to the grandmothers. I'm speaking to the Liberals now, and to the Bloc, too. If you really think we can amend this and put it in a form that's.... But you all know we're not going to be able to do that, not in an hour's time, not in a day's time. It's a waste of time. The bill has been presented. It will be presented to the House unamended. I know I'll be voting against that. I feel that.... Let's end this.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Mr. McTeague.

1 p.m.

Liberal

Dan McTeague Liberal Pickering—Scarborough East, ON

The purpose was simply to find more time if necessary. The reason I introduced this was to ensure that there were other considerations taken into account, subject, of course, to the rule of the House and the timing for the House to receive this. We have run out of time because of an extension.

However, as it goes back to the House unamended, that will also bring some consequences that, I'm sure from my perspective as the member of Parliament who first introduced this notion back in 1999-2000, are certainly unintended.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Absolutely.

Okay. Do we have a majority that desires to meet again before the Monday routine proceedings?

1 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

I would like a recorded vote, please.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

I need to get clarification on this. We would meet on Monday morning, then.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

We would meet on Monday morning or this afternoon.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Routine proceedings are after QP. We just got clarification, too, so we'd have to meet in the morning on Monday to do it.

1 p.m.

A voice

I can't.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Pardon? You can't make it?

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Listen, we need to vote, because I know that people have to get to committee. Those in favour of another meeting?

1 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Malo Bloc Verchères—Les Patriotes, QC

A quick comment?

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Monsieur Malo.

1 p.m.

Bloc

Luc Malo Bloc Verchères—Les Patriotes, QC

Mr. Chairman, if I'm not mistaken—Mr. Masse referred to this earlier—if amendments need to be presented, that can be done in the House when the bill is studied there.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

We had better have direct clarification.

1 p.m.

Procedural Clerk

Mike MacPherson

Any motion to amend the bill submitted at report stage runs the risk of not being selected. The basic rule is that if it could have been done at committee, it should have been done at committee, so you run the risk of having the Speaker not select your motions for debate.