Evidence of meeting #6 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was e-commerce.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Helen McDonald  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Spectrum, Information Technologies and Telecommunications, Department of Industry
Lisa Campbell  Deputy Commissioner of Competition, Fair Business Practices Branch, Competition Bureau
Janet DiFrancesco  Director General, Electronic Commerce Branch, Department of Industry
Michael Jenkin  Director General, Office of Consumer Affairs, Department of Industry
Matthew Kellison  Acting Assistant Deputy Commissioner, Civil Matters Branch, Competition Bureau

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Liberal

Ted Hsu Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

When you go to the store you have pears from the U.S. or these clothes are made in such-and-such a country. Could we not do that online?

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Spectrum, Information Technologies and Telecommunications, Department of Industry

Helen McDonald

I don't see why industry associations cannot do that for themselves and for their members online or consumer groups that may be interested in steering interested parties toward Canadian products. I think it's also important to ensure there's sufficient competition to keep Canadian online service providers as agile as their competitors. Therefore I would be worried about setting up a little walled garden that people don't go to, because you also want to encourage people from other countries to buy Canadian.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Thank you very much, Madam McDonald and Mr. Hsu.

I'd like to give you an opportunity of six minutes each for any closing remarks.

I notice that Ms. Campbell is writing and she probably has some closing remarks.

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Deputy Commissioner of Competition, Fair Business Practices Branch, Competition Bureau

Lisa Campbell

I don't have any.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

No? Is that right?

Do you have no closing remarks at all?

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Deputy Commissioner of Competition, Fair Business Practices Branch, Competition Bureau

Lisa Campbell

Actually I had a few remarks to share with the committee, if you wish.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Okay. Why don't we begin with you and then we'll move to Ms. McDonald.

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Deputy Commissioner of Competition, Fair Business Practices Branch, Competition Bureau

Lisa Campbell

This is just something to capture a bit of the points we were making earlier.

As an enforcement agency we need to be where consumers and businesses are, and increasingly that's online and has an international reach. So it means that we need to work increasingly in collaboration with our international counterparts.

There are also many changes. The way in which people access the Internet is changing. It used to be via a search page, but increasingly it's through social media, which is supported by so-called free services. But we need to remember that most of these services are monetized by the exchange of personal information—that's how they're funded—which is sometimes subject to data breaches, as was raised earlier. So it raises very interesting questions from an advertising perspective, from a perspective of protecting consumers and businesses, as this trade and commerce happens online.

We're delighted to be here to answer any of the questions the committee has, and also we are happy to send you further information if any of what we've discussed piqued your interest.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Thank you very much, Madam Campbell.

We're now on to Ms. McDonald.

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Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Spectrum, Information Technologies and Telecommunications, Department of Industry

Helen McDonald

We've very much appreciated this opportunity to come and particularly to hear your questions. We look forward to the final report.

There is a big difference between business-to-business commerce, business-to-consumer commerce, where a number of your concerns over protecting consumers come in, and consumer to consumer. That may be where the mobile payments start coming in, where, cellphone to cellphone, we can do lots of things that may be much more difficult for many of us to regulate. There may be a different type of issue that emerges there, so I just wanted to bring that to your attention.

We have a report on e-mobile commerce, on some of the emerging consumer issues, on our website, by the Office of Consumer Affairs at Industry Canada, and we would be happy to bring it to the attention of your clerk should you wish to look at it.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

That would be great. In both official languages it would be very good.

On behalf of the committee, I would like to say thank you very much. I was just listening to the broad spectrum of questions that you fielded today, and it was impressive. So I want to thank the witnesses on behalf of the committee.

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Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

We stand adjourned.