International Trade Committee on Nov. 28th, 2023

[Kyle Seeback, Conservative, Dufferin—Caledon, ON]

Madam Chair, right now in the House of Commons there is a point of order with the Speaker about Liberals suggesting that somehow we are with Vladimir Putin because of how we're dealing with this.

The member just implied again that Conservatives are with Vladimir Putin. This is absolutely unparliamentary, and he should not be making those references, because absolutely no Conservative supports Vladimir Putin. It's a disgusting reference, and he should withdraw any comments like that.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

[Mark Gerretsen, Liberal, Kingston and the Islands, ON]

If I may, on the same point of order—

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

Wait just one second.

I have Mr. Savard-Tremblay on a point of order.

[Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay, Bloc, Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC]

Yes, it's on a completely different topic.

I think we forgot to tell our valiant senior officials that they can go. The bill was passed.

They are not required to attend a show as ridiculous as this one on top of that. Can we thank them for their time and tell them they don't need to stay?

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

I think you're great. Thank you so much.

To the officials, thank you for your patience and thank you for being with us today.

You are free to leave if you choose to.

Mr. Gerretsen—

[Kyle Seeback, Conservative, Dufferin—Caledon, ON]

Mr. Douglas has something to say.

[Adam Douglas]

With apologies, thank you, Madam Chair.

I just want to say, on behalf of my wonderful colleagues here at the public service, that we are very happy to provide any support to the committee.

We thank you for having us here today, and we wish you well.

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

Thanks to you all for being here.

Mr. Gerretsen, you still have the floor. Please finish up.

[Mark Gerretsen, Liberal, Kingston and the Islands, ON]

Thank you.

Madam Chair, I never said that Conservatives support Vladimir Putin. I never said that.

I realize that there is some real concern over the way things look for Conservatives, but what I said, Madam Chair, was that what Ukraine doesn't need is people who are telling them what they need. One of those people is Vladimir Putin, who we know continually tells them what they need. We know that Conservatives also do that.

I'm not coming to this conclusion on my own. I'm literally quoting the words that Mr. Genuis used in this meeting about an hour ago. He said “what Ukraine needs”, and then he went on.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

That's your position.

[Mark Gerretsen, Liberal, Kingston and the Islands, ON]

Madam Chair, I don't think the President was—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

Mr. Gerretsen, perhaps you could wrap up.

[Mark Gerretsen, Liberal, Kingston and the Islands, ON]

Yes.

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

I have several speakers after you, and we have a motion by one of the members that we'd like to deal with, which is time-sensitive.

Perhaps you could wrap up, sir.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

[Mark Gerretsen, Liberal, Kingston and the Islands, ON]

I'm going to try to wrap up. I do have a couple more things to say, Madam Chair. I appreciate that.

To my point, what I was saying was that—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order.

[Mark Gerretsen, Liberal, Kingston and the Islands, ON]

—what Ukraine doesn't need is people to tell them what they need. They're very capable of determining that on their own, which we have seen.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

I am sorry, but there's another point of order.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Madam Chair, the member is being completely dishonest about what I said. He's misleading the committee, so I want to clarify what I said, which was that precisely what Ukraine has said it needs are weapons. I don't think anybody disputes that Ukraine wants weapons.

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

That's just part of the debate.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

I am repeating what Ukraine has said it needs.

[The Chair, Liberal, Judy Sgro]

I think it's just more of the debate.

Mr. Gerretsen, please complete your comment—