Thank you, witnesses, for being here.
My question is for Mr. Rudin and Ms. Sampson.
I can't remember the factual situation of Gladue, if that was an equality, section 15.... So this may be a somewhat redundant question. Is it possible and is it being contemplated that at some stage the aboriginal community or advocates for women would actually launch a challenge under the charter because of the systemic discrimination that's within the system, because of the results you get with this kind of legislation? Both with regard to this legislation and perhaps a bit more generally, is that kind of litigation either going on now or is it being contemplated?